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<p>Strangely lit sky and atmosphere after a storm that came through the area on Thursday, I was able to grab this from the side of the road as I was leaving work, within minutes all this light and color had faded. Sony a6000 and kit 16-50 lens.<br> And Louis, I agree with John - I've been eyeing both those sigma's and you're not doing anything to dissuade me!</p> <p><a title="Aftermath" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/outwithmycamera13/22882481260/in/dateposted-public/" data-flickr-embed="true"><img src="https://farm1.staticflickr.com/602/22882481260_8218c48df9_z.jpg" alt="Aftermath" width="640" height="403" /></a></p>

<p>I found this interesting, while still much more expensive than I could imagine spending on a camera at this point, this new camera seems to do some things that I've seen people wanting - very simple operation, no video or live view, sort of getting back to a simple manual film camera experience. Leica seems to be putting out a lot of niche variants of what is already a pretty niche product lately. I wonder how well that model works and if other manufacturers are watching to see what the bottom line is.<br> http://petapixel.com/2015/11/19/leica-m-typ-262-is-a-return-to-the-basics-of-digital-m-rangefinder-photography/</p>

<p>Interesting information Edward, thanks!</p>

Has anyone used one of these or something similar? I've got a couple rb67 lenses and thought it might be ridiculous fun to hang one on my a6000 https://www.fotodioxpro.com/lens-mount-adapters/mirrorless-dslr/sony-nex-e-mount-lens-adapters/pro-lens-adapter-mamiya-rb67- mount-lenses-to-sony-e-mount-mirrorless-camera-adapter.html I had wondered if you could adapt some sort of bellows contraption but an adapter like this makes more sense to me.

<p>are these lenses anything good.. granted.. they ARE hasselblad... and you get to rock those cool leather pouches... but.. but.. </p>

<p>more from my first outings with the a6000<br> Leaf in black and white<br> <a title="Leaf" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/outwithmycamera13/22454076716/in/dateposted-public/" data-flickr-embed="true"><img src="https://farm1.staticflickr.com/568/22454076716_9138644b7b_z.jpg" alt="Leaf" width="640" height="417" /></a><br> Fall colors and sky in reflection<br> <a title="Autumn reflection and sky" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/outwithmycamera13/22675683825/in/dateposted-public/" data-flickr-embed="true"><img src="https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5638/22675683825_b8f7238746_z.jpg" alt="Autumn reflection and sky" width="640" height="427" /></a><br> Lily pads<br> <a title="ForestHillPark-4" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/outwithmycamera13/22262956098/in/dateposted-public/" data-flickr-embed="true"><img src="https://farm1.staticflickr.com/640/22262956098_f26dc42075_z.jpg" alt="ForestHillPark-4" width="483" height="640" /></a></p>

<p>leaf in black and white; taken with a6000 and 16-50 kit lens<br> <a title="Leaf" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/outwithmycamera13/22454076716/in/dateposted-public/" data-flickr-embed="true"><img src="https://farm1.staticflickr.com/568/22454076716_9138644b7b.jpg" alt="Leaf" width="500" height="326" /></a></p>

<p>Recently I watched 2001: A space Odyssey and was intrigued by one of the scenes early in the movie where a photographer is doing a photo shoot of some prominent scientists and the camera was all built around a pistol grip - almost looked like a pentax spot meter that was conscripted into service for the movie.<br> And now, there is this offering which is way more 'pistol' looking than the device in the movie but offers a similar concept. I like seeing these convergences of science fiction and reality, just always makes me laugh a bit.<br> http://petapixel.com/2015/10/27/this-is-a-3d-printed-pistol-grip-for-the-olympus-air/#more-188375</p>

<p>Andy thanks for that explanation of how LR handles views differently between Library and Develop. Michael I would agree it doesn't clearly explain why one is so much warmer than the other. I am wondering if in a well calibrated and perfectly color managed system if there would be any difference observed; my monitor is admittedly crappy and even though I have it calibrated it doesn't approach the full gamut of AdobeRGB.</p>

<p>more autumn color to add to this week's theme</p> <p><a title="AutumnReflection" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/outwithmycamera13/22235515878/in/album-72157659840332838/" data-flickr-embed="true"><img src="https://farm1.staticflickr.com/660/22235515878_401f449273_z.jpg" alt="AutumnReflection" width="640" height="427" /></a></p>

<p>Re-entering the world of mirrorless with my new a6000. These are all shot with the 16-50 kit lens from my first weekend with the camera. Loving it! There are always such great photos in this thread!</p> <p><a title="LightInTheForest" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/outwithmycamera13/22293259789/in/dateposted-public/" data-flickr-embed="true"><img src="https://farm1.staticflickr.com/692/22293259789_6722b69f1c_z.jpg" alt="LightInTheForest" width="640" height="400" /></a></p> <p><a title="Boulder" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/outwithmycamera13/22480080045/in/dateposted-public/" data-flickr-embed="true"><img src="https://farm1.staticflickr.com/738/22480080045_03a1229d57_z.jpg" alt="Boulder" width="640" height="427" /></a><br> and something more colorful<br> <a title="ForestHillPark-5" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/outwithmycamera13/22450645845/in/dateposted-public/" data-flickr-embed="true"><img src="https://farm1.staticflickr.com/727/22450645845_d135579c2b_z.jpg" alt="ForestHillPark-5" width="487" height="640" /></a></p>

@ Andy - glad to see another eos-m refugee and a6000 newbie here; my M and a bunch of other Nikon gear was stolen a couple months back and is largely why I'm now the owner of the a6000. The little canon was a lot of fun for what it was but I am enjoying the Sony alot. Like you, just becoming familiar with where different things are is a steep learning curve. I shoot mostly RAW but want to start playing with settings for jpeg output and see what I can do with that. One of the really cool things I found with my first outing is that with the WiFi and NFC capabilities I can upload images directly from the camera to my tablet, edit in lightroom mobile (or something like snapseed if you prefer) and then post to social media, share with folks, etc. So it allows for this totally mobile work flow that opens all, sorts of opportunities and this excites me probably more than just about any other whiz bang feature. Thanks for the reference to the guide book, I will definitely check it out. @ Mark - I understand exactly what you mean by the convenience factor. I think the 16-50 is going to make a really good walk around lens for those times I don't want a lot of 'kit' or the limitations imposed by more capable but cumbersome gear.

<p>I am seeing a difference between how Lightroom is rendering images between the library module and the develop module. The Library view is much warmer than the develop module, but I cannot find anywhere to change that to a more neutral setting. Any ideas?</p>

<p>@Howard, in part its a handling thing as I'm not getting along well with the power zoom but I'll get adjusted to that sooner rather than later, and its just slow - f/3.5 is just not enough for my tastes, especially when that is gone by about 24mm. Also, the lens vignettes like crazy, to the point that corners can be black at times. The latter can be corrected in post using lens corrections so its not that big a deal, but its not ideal. I was able to get more stick time with the camera/lens today, its not a terrible lens by any means, but its the nits that get a lot of attention. One of the things I do like is that the lens seems to focus very closely. Here are couple of shots from today.<br> <a title="ForestHillPark-5" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/outwithmycamera13/22450645845/in/dateposted-public/" data-flickr-embed="true"><img src="https://farm1.staticflickr.com/727/22450645845_d135579c2b_z.jpg" alt="ForestHillPark-5" width="487" height="640" /></a></p> <p><a title="ForestHillPark-3" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/outwithmycamera13/22450646235/in/dateposted-public/" data-flickr-embed="true"><img src="https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5647/22450646235_26d669a791_z.jpg" alt="ForestHillPark-3" width="640" height="640" /></a></p> <p><a title="ForestHillPark-1" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/outwithmycamera13/22263831979/in/dateposted-public/" data-flickr-embed="true"><img src="https://farm1.staticflickr.com/737/22263831979_405a6255da_z.jpg" alt="ForestHillPark-1" width="640" height="556" /></a></p>

<p>Thanks Anthea! Here are a couple more from that same outing, i'll be joining the Mirrorless Monday exercise pretty regularly I hope.<br> Ducks running away!<br> <a title="RunAway" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/outwithmycamera13/22235897460/in/dateposted-public/" data-flickr-embed="true"><img src="https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5826/22235897460_e3fc81d32a_z.jpg" alt="RunAway" width="640" height="427" /> </a><br> As if I needed someone telling me where to go...<br> <a title="WalkThisWay" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/outwithmycamera13/22237041739/in/dateposted-public/" data-flickr-embed="true"><img src="https://farm1.staticflickr.com/757/22237041739_ab085ae6f6_z.jpg" alt="WalkThisWay" width="640" height="427" /> </a></p>

<p>Took my new a6000 out for a walk after work yesterday to a local park just to give it a spin and start to get to know the camera. There is a LOT to get used to coming from a Nikon DSLR. Shooting through the EVF is certainly a different experience than using an optical viewfinder. The biggest issue though is simply the compact size (i think i turned the menu on about a dozen times when reaching for the AEL button which I've set to AF-On) and the lack of buttons for specific functions. That said, I'm starting to figure out where to find different things (like bracketing) and how best to assign functions to the customizable buttons given how I generally work. This will definitely be a work in progress but I am enjoying it none the less. I can see I'm not going to fall in love with the 16-50 and will be looking for new lenses sooner than I was thinking. I'm also anxious to try lenses for adapting since this seems to be one of the places that this and other mirrorless systems excel. I'll likely be out with it every day over the weekend, shooting different things - there is a 'zombie walk' that will be a fun test of the continuous AF I think. I'm pleased so far, and I think this is going to be a happy relationship!<br> <a title="AutumnReflection" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/outwithmycamera13/22235515878/in/dateposted-public/" data-flickr-embed="true"><img src="https://farm1.staticflickr.com/660/22235515878_401f449273_z.jpg" alt="AutumnReflection" width="640" height="427" /></a></p>

<p>Mark, take a look at this review of the a6000 that has a 3 part field test series that looks at AF performance; the second part looks specifically at focus accuracy as well as focusing speed. The summary is that focus accuracy is in about the 40-50% range if you are talking about continuous focus tracking; in particular there seems to be a challenge with the first 2-3 frames in a burst series being sharp. http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/sony-a6000/sony-a6000A.HTM<br> My new a6000 arrived today and is charging as I type this, i'm very anxious to get out and play with it.</p>

<p>The basic Sony a6000 with kit lens; the kit lens isn't the most stellar but will give me something to use while I get familiar with the camera and decide what lenses meet my needs. For those of you who have read and responded to my probes in any of my earlier queries about various mirrorless sytems ( http://www.photo.net/digital-camera-forum/00dWxS, http://www.photo.net/olympus-camera-forum/00dTsa, http://www.photo.net/digital-camera-forum/00dT9Y) I appreciate your comments. At the end of the day, this choice came down to three factors, in order of importance:</p> <ul> <li>Cost - this is almost a no brainer though not as easy as one might think. But for the capability offered by this camera I think this is the best deal out there right now. The Sony saves me about $450 and that's a chunk of change that I can put towards other 'stuff' like lenses, adapters, etc. and for me that is not chump change.</li> <li>Pathway into Full frame - of the three systems I was looking at, Sony is the only one that offers a full frame compliment and because of my interest in close ups and shallow depth of field I think I will be moving in that direction sooner rather than later. In many respects this is a system issue and Sony seems like the best bet right now for keeping it all in the family.</li> <li>Image resolution - more isn't always better but I didn't see anything to suggest that the Sony had excessive noise at the ISO levels I am likely to be shooting at when compared to the other systems I looked at and so in this case more becomes more.</li> </ul> <p>Issues that I discounted as having significance to me that seem to be hinge points in these discussions:</p> <ul> <li>Overall image quality - honestly I think i could have blindly chosen from the systems I was looking at and been quite happy with the image quality. I'm not a pro and don't have quite the same requirements that a professional photographer would have for image quality, and think it is quite good regardless.</li> <li>Auto-focus speed and reliability - I don't often shoot sports or events or much that could be considered action. I tend to work pretty deliberately and slowly with pretty static subject matter, often on a tripod.</li> <li>Frame rate - same as with auto-focus really. I've been pretty happy with the frame rate offered by my decrepit Nikon D80 so anything in these newer bodies would trump that easily.</li> </ul> <p>So now I get to wait until Wednesday when my new camera makes it to me. Unfortunately, I had gone in to a local camera shop to do some comparisons of the two bodies that made it into my short list and I was told I could hold the body but they wouldn't put a battery in them for me to look at menu systems and some operational things, so that exercise was simply pointless. What they don't realize is they lost a sale, and a customer likely forever. I'm sure they are tired of people coming in and looking at gear then buying elsewhere or online, but they drove me there anyway.<br> In the mean time, if anyone has suggestions for useful tips and tricks with this camera and post-processing of the RAW images I am all ears. Again, thanks to you who responded to my previous questions!</p>

<p>Thanks Louis, I appreciate the thoughts. I'm by no means suffering from 'paralysis by analysis' here and am soon to decide. It is good to hear from those like you and others who have actually been shooting this camera or its brethren with no sense of limitations by the 'system' it is part of. The a6000 is very attractive in part because it is the least expensive of the options in front of me. But it seems to be a very well featured camera at the same time so it almost feels that it is undervalued in this market space, and that leads in part to questions about longevity of product support and continued enhancements if not outright upgrades with releases of new products. The point you make about the rate of development/advancements slowing down simply because of where this camera is in its evolution is interesting, that's not a perspective I'd considered.</p>

<p>Fabrizio - I understand there is a great deal of volatility in this market space and it is evolving, I don't think mirrorless is going to go away though I am hopeful however that it will stabilize with some clear trends. I had an EOS-M largely because it came available at truly bargain prices, and for the most part I really enjoyed that camera. It was stolen along with some other gear though, and I was badly disappointed by Canon's tepid (non) support for this product line and so I am a little gun shy about going down that path again. My concern about the a6000 is that I am not sure I see Sony developing or marketing new lenses, nor pushing out firmware updates to keep moving that camera forward or even rumoring that something new in the DX product line is forthcoming; the focus at Sony seems to be on the full frame product line. This seems to be the same path that both Canon and Nikon have taken with respect to the DX market, which is tantamount to abandonment. I see both Olympus and Fuji behaving a bit differently, though if there are rumors now that Sigma is going to drop support for developing X-format mounts that is concerning. Bottom line is that I could probably close my eyes, pick a product randomly from Olympus, Fuji, or Sony and be able to make very good images so it comes down to some intangibles for me as to which direction I go. </p>

<p>David and Fabrizio, thanks for the responses, links and the perspective on adapted lenses - that helps a lot. I've been exploring mirrorless options recently and formulating some questions about some specific cameras. Because I think image quality issues are pretty even across the gamut, my biggest concern is buying into a system that isn't going to have support from its manufacturer over the long term and this is what some reviewing the Sony products seem to have suggested. I'm starting to feel this is less of an issue with some of the 3rd party offerings that are available (Zeiss and Voigtlander especially, though Samyang seems to have some interesting products as well). Add the ability to adapt a variety of lenses then that issue can probably be put to rest in some respects. Though I wonder about other aspects of long term support such as firmware upgrades and the like.</p>

One of the concerns I keep seeing raised in reviews of the Sony a6000 is the weak support for lenses from Sony. For those of you who own one of these cameras what has your experience been, have you been disappointed by the range of lenses available for it? Are there sufficient offerings from 3rd party sources to offset the limited selection of Sony branded lenses? What are the gaps in optics for this camera?

<p>30th St Station Philadelphia in a snow storm</p> <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/outwithmycamera13/13231222385/in/dateposted- public/" title="30th Street Station #2"><img src="https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3674/13231222385_9d93123575_b.jpg" width="1024" height="683" alt="30th Street Station #2"></a>

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<p>Thanks for the observations Greg - have you any experience with the 12-40 that Olympus offers? That is considerably more expensive but offers a wider end that is appealing. I had been thinking a mid-range zoom supported by primes at wider and longer focal lengths might be one way to build out a system, but a long zoom or a UWA type (such as the 7-14) might be useful as well. </p>