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<p>I live here and can't get to all the great places to shoot. Just have fun and enjoy the scenery. And bring a rain coat, its been a wet summer this year. Lots of rain, hail, and tornadoes, very rare. </p>

<p>you sound a lot like me, hoping the work speaks for itself and not having to do much. However I have learned over the years that its all about how much effort I put into it. If I put a lot into sales/marketing I get good results. If I just wait for it to come to me, I get nada. I do a lot of sports photography, and knowing the right people help. However that isn't enough. I have to rub noses with the parents, I have to talk football, hockey, soccer with them. I need to know those sports as well as they do. They think I'm a fan, not someone trying to make a buck.<br>

Another genre I'm interested in is studio work. There isn't much call for scantily clad women hanging on restaurant walls. At least not here! So I have to find other outlets. Local stores that sell clothes to do fashion work, local magazines to do glamour work. <br>

Like was stated above, its 90% marketing, networking, and being a people person. The successful photographer is extroverted, outgoing, and engaging. Ironically, most photographers are introverted by nature. Preferring to hide behind the camera or in the dark room. <br>

Another thing to consider is teaching. If you can teach those skills such as photoshop, you can make money that way.</p>

<p>I'm not very familiar with that area of Colorado, just searching on Ouray should provide you with a number of possible trails, etc. I've never rented a jeep as I own my own, but I understand there are lots of rentals in that area as well as tours. One road you may or may not hear of is the Black Bear Pass - take a tour, its considered one of the most dangerous roads but worth the trip. Look for Bridal Veil Falls - spectacular falls on the black bear pass road. <br>

Another spot I've been wanting to hit is the Black Canyon of The Gunnison - but living in the metro area, its hard to get down there often. <br>

Good luck and enjoy your trip - its been very wet this year so there should be some spectacular shots.</p>

 

I'm no expert but I'll toss in my thoughts

 

holga - an odd sort of MF plastic camera known for its bizarre features. If you are expecting really good stuff,

don't use a holga. People use them for funkiness - they melt the lenses for bizarre fish-eye features etc.

 

Ilford Delta - I have not used the 400, I stick with 50, 100, and such and ilford developers. That being said, I

think some of the lack of sharpness/detail is a result of the holga and not ilford film.

 

You don't always NEED a meter, I used my dSLR to meter a scene long before I got a good light meter. A meter

helps, beyond that some of the normal 'rules' like sunny/16 etc can really save the day.

 

My first 3 or so attempts at developing I kept my expectations low - I didn't know anything, never took a class -

just read a book and a lot of stuff here and elsewhere online. I would and still do go out and burn a roll of

FP4 just to keep thinking along the lines. Its helped because I started to see and think in black and white when

shooting.

 

I'm not sure about 'stiff' negatives, but the first few times I did my own BW processing I followed the

directions literally - 9:30 develop, 10s stop, and 5m fix and the results weren't horrible - I had more

difficulty getting the film on the spool than anything else. I'm not familiar with diafine. I don't wear gloves

or anything I try to consciously think of which side is the 'front' and back so I don't inadvertently touch the

wrong side. It still happens but the edges are where I try to handle/hold the film.

 

I'd say try a different camera - holga's are unpredictable, thats why people like them but I think it would make

learning even more of a challenge. But don't let failure discourage you its the best tool for learning.

yes the 645 Manual Focus lenses work on the AF and AFD bodies (still as manual focus of course). I can't speak to differences between the two as I've been wanting to try out a pentax 67 but can't find one for a price I'm willing to pay - I'm patient.

 

Regarding the RB or RZ 6x7 formats someone else mentioned, they are good systems but they aren't exactly handheld like a pentax 6x7 or 645AFD. I had an RB67 and while I loved the size of the negatives the fact that it lived on the tripod AND the waist-level finder really bugged me. Each has their own expectations I guess, so I upgraded my RB for a 645AFD on ebay. I'm happier and shoot more MF now. The RB I only shot 2-3 rolls.

 

The RB was nice, fully manual, no batteries and worked very well. But was so big and bulky that it was frustrating at times.

y'all just took the fun out of the darkroom, - don't drink the chemistry! C'mon! what else am I going to drink after my 5th beer? :)

 

As I am learning all of this stuff myself to support 3 film cameras now, I find I don't worry about stuff all that much. My first attempt in the darkroom was acceptable considering the handicaps. I have concluded I do not like the tongs everyone sells, you can't really get underneath the print paper in the tray. So I used my hands. I also washed my hands regularly.

 

I think people worry too much about stuff they have no control over. Life is the leading cause of death...

On the other half of your question, right click is the equivalent to control-click. If you buy a multi button mouse then you may need to configure it to do the same thing or it may do that automatically. I've learned to prefer the 1 button mouse but miss the mouse wheel from time to time. Welcome to the dark side!

changing brands may be more trouble than its worth - I had several Magellan brand GPS units from gen1 up through Gen3 - I was used to how each functioned, what the buttons did, etc. This is hand held units, not the mapping units they sell now days for cars.

 

For my 4th gen gps unit I tried to compare Garman with Magellan, I held both units in the store, turned them on, played with them, etc. I couldn't for the life of me get around the Garman and the Magellan felt like 2nd nature because I was so used to it.

 

If I had to buy my gear all over again I'd probably stick with canon for these reasons. I'm used to it. I also shoot Mamiya and a 4x5 monorail camera but I can't say I would go that direction a second time. Its mostly a way to make me a better photographer, understanding film and the history of photography. Its one thing to read about it, and I messed with film growing up, but to use it now when I feel like I know what I'm doing, the learning impact is greater.

This is more for the group making the updates to Photo.net and regarding forum

http://www.photo.net/casual-conversations-forum/00QEQV about capturing EXIF information. I have written a PHP module

for my own website to capture and display certain EXIF fields from images I upload including lens focal length,

Aperture, shutter speed, and ISO.

 

I am willing to share my code if you are interested so that all images would have a uniform appearance including

these settings. However if any image resizing is done, such as with the GD library in PHP, the EXIF data is

overwritten/lost.

 

Please contact me by email if you are interested in the code I've written - EXIF headers are sort of complex to

parse through and pull specific data so having my code may help.

 

Chris.

I've actually written a function in PHP to capture the EXIF data from my images when I upload them and it works well unless or until I resize those images with PHP. Perhaps I'll talk to the guys doing the update about using or looking at my code to allow such functionality. There's so much EXIF data though, pulling in the right fields is challenging and some people may not like having that out there. Also I don't know if PN is php based or ASP based.

Actually I'm coming at it from the other direction. As a digital shooter I'm moving in to film, for a lot of the

reasons people mention here and more. For one, I want to be a better photographer. Digital promotes the spray

and pray mentality, automatic everything, push button photography. I like to slow down, look at the shot,

compose the shot. While that can be done digitally, the digital mentality doesn't promote such thinking.

 

I purchased 2 MF film cameras this year and am looking for a third. I purchased a 4x5 film camera as well. I

love shooting those cameras. The Digital just isn't as fun. You cannot compare plugging in a memory card with

pulling even relatively small 6x4.5mm film out of the tank and seeing your negatives. Then trying 4"x5" film -

the quality of detail, the anticipation, did I develop it right? So much can go wrong that I start to really

THINK what am I doing, why? Is this picture worth taking?

 

Why do I shoot film? Because its fun, knowing that if i push that shutter button, it will cost me $2.50 for that

sheet of film means I approach my photography much differently. Digital doesn't mean better, just different and

it took a Medium Format Film camera for me to learn that. I prefer film black and white to digital black and

white - no comparison. All the digital black and white's I've seen have an odd green hue to them under

florescent lighting. It looks ugly and its because the inks that the mfg's use.

 

For the record I shot over 25000 digital pictures last year shooting 2 hockey teams and college football. I

still shoot digital, it has its place, but for real fun, I love to take out the film. No one knows what it is or

thinks its some fancy digital camera better than their new dSLR. Its hilarious. Or they lecture me, I should go

digital, its better.

 

Digital does not mean better.

I feel your pain! I went through a similar experience just trying to learn about Medium Format camera systems to chose one that I would like to try.

 

Ultimately choosing a lens to me is more about aesthetics and intended subject matter than acronyms on the box. Plus the manufacturers don't make it easy when they trademark a certain acronym to prevent competition from saying the same thing. Check out the manufacturers web sites for definitions, sigma photo has a good one, canon isn't so good. But remember all of these terms or acronyms are really just marketing or sales pitch words to encourage someone to buy. They don't necessarily reflect the quality of the product.

 

Here's some links for sigma and canon

http://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/lenses.asp

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=149&modelid=12955#ModelTechSpecsAct

 

Canon's terms like USM and IS really don't explain the lens at all. USM stands for Ultra Sonic Motor and IS is Inertia Stabilization. USM indicates the lens has a high quality (or its supposed to have) proportionally sized motor driving the auto focus in the lens itself. USM is supposed to be quick and fast focusing but has no bearing on the camera body's focusing ability. IS or Inertial stabilization means when you shake the picture won't and you can still get the shot.

 

Sigma has different terms for the same things - HSM for Hypersonic Motor, OS for Optical Stabilization, and many more.

 

When I decide its time to buy a new lens I try to figure out what I want that lens to do, my expectations, and does an existing lens in my bag already do that? Do I want a Prime lens or Zoom lens? Lately I've been getting primes and I love how sharp stuff comes out. Secondly, I decided the focal length, wide or up close and personal. A zoom lens can be very convenient, covering a span of focal lengths such as the 17-55 you mention trading off some weight and sharpness depending on the lens. Speed is another important factor for me, what aperture do I want? Is it important? Most of my glass is f/2.8 - my newest lens is the Canon 85mm f/1.2L and its is incredibly fast wide open.

 

Regarding the lenses on BH, that 17-55mm is considered fast (f/2.8) and has Inertial Stabilization, without getting too technical think of it as a gyroscope in the lens making sure the picture doesn't shake when you do. Without IS that lens would probably go for 1/2 that amount. Is IS worth it? It depends on what you shoot. I shoot sports with a 70-200 f/2.8 IS and can achieve shutter speeds of 1/500th and don't need it. But a lot of people love IS and can't live without it.

 

The Canon 17-85 EF-S is 1/2 the price and does have IS, if I recall it will work on the 20D. There is an 18-55mm EF-S as well for under $200. Not as fast, f/3.5 instead of f/2.8. If you look at the Canon Film lenses instead of digital you'll find the 50mm f/1.4 for $300 and the 50mm 1.8 for $90. Both good sharp lenses. I say ignore the acronyms and look at the focal length, aperture, and price.

There really are few to no options here. Photoshop can be used to create a watermark but either the watermark is in the way and the image can't be really evaluated, or it can be cropped off easily enough and you're back to square one. The other option, I think what you're saying, is that something exists so people can't do a "save as" in popular browsers.

 

The problem with limiting the right-click menu's is that javascript is used to limit that and javascript can be disabled. If I set my browser preferences to disable javascript I can then right-click and save as.

I think it depends on what you intend to use them for. If you're trying to set up in an arena for sports photography I don't think that'll work. In a small studio they're fine. I have exactly what you mention and use them with my AB's just fine. I haven't noticed any issues, reliability or anything but I'm usually in the studio where things are quite close to each other and its usually just me.

 

To Ellis' point, think about where/how you'll be using wireless before investing. Pocket Wizards are nice and have additional functionality like setting off another, remote camera. These are strictly for lights and I believe strictly for Alien Bee's. Maybe not exclusively, but they won't trigger other lights, they use the Alien Bee Sync cord and sit in-line on the AC power line. Trying to use them with other lights would be difficult if not possible. So it may work but the time, effort, etc may offset any savings advantage.

 

As for the cybersync and alien bee, I'm quite happy with the set up I have. Its inexpensive and I've had no issues *yet*. (knocking on wood)

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I bought a 1d/II last year used for $1500 and I'm glad I did though it was used professionally with about 80k actuations. There are some differences between the 1d/II and other canon models and getting used to those confused me for a while. As far as new vs used that's a tough one and I think mostly comes down to personal choice. A lot of people prefer new opposed to used, and bear in mind professionally used means the shutter actuations will be very high as opposed to someone just trying to snap shots of their kids soccer games. A professional won't think twice ripping off 1000 frames ore more per event - weddings could see 5000 photos per wedding, sports 1000 to 2000 depending on photographer and sport. The 8.5 fps means everyone sprays and prays and I admit to doing it too. With the slower rate cameras I got good at popping 2-3 shots off, waiting a second or two and popping another 2-3 frames off. Moving to the 8.5 fps took a while before I got used to a slight touch meant 3+ shots.

 

If its on ebay I'd probably say stay away from it, but if you can hold it, shoot it and are comfortable with its looks and operation in your hands go for it. You can find out the shutter actuations easily enough with a single raw image and some EXIF viewing software and think of that as just a gauge to know that sooner or later the shutter will probably fail.

 

I have not used the 5D, but other than sensor size and some refinements internally it's similar to the 20D/30D models, I would say that to compare the 5D to a 1D/II isn't quite fair. The 5D Full frame sensor will give outstanding results, its a newer sensor in terms of the age of the design. The 1D is only an 8.x MP camera at I think a 1.3x crop factor? (is that right?) one is meant for speed with good quality, the other is meant for excellent quality as opposed to speed (3fps?). Not sure if I recall those specifications exactly right but close.

 

As both cameras are in a similar price range, buy the one that fits what you intend to do with it.

Not that this entirely applies but it was before I had a Mac or two. (another one hiding from Vista) Since I

worked in the Storage Industry for 7 years I built my own NAS (Network Attached Storage) long before 1TB drives.

It functions as a stand alone server (linux) and storage bin for all of my files. The reason I went this route

as opposed to a single or double drive was that I've seen drives fail on a regular basis and worried I'd loose

too many photos if that happened. My storage bin is a 1TB Raid 5, with 5 250GB SATA drives and has just under

1TB of space. I like it because when a drive does fail, its simple to replace it with a new one and regenerate

the data on that drive. I lose nothing and I've actually tested this 2x over the past 3+ years.

 

There's some free software out there called FreeNas that lets you setup something similar fairly quickly on an

old PC and I recommend it over the single drive approach. This way when a single drive does fail, that 120GB of

photos in your collection isn't just a memory. Keep in mind that raid 5 as I have is only capable of surviving a

single failure, once a drive fails I immediately replace that drive and rebuild the data, ready for another

failure to occur. If 2 drives fail simultaneously I could lose all data. Since it is linux and Software Raid I

don't have to worry about controllers failing and losing my data, I only lose access. With that in mind I've had

this for almost 5 years running solidly and have upgraded many components aside from the drives with no impact to

the system.

 

In setting something like this up you build a network and keep the time capsule as a true backup instead of a

shared storage device. Plus by maintaining 2 copies if one does suffer from catastrophic failure you still have

a backup. Trying to ensure 100GB of photos are safely backed up on optical media can be time consuming and

frustrating.

I wasn't saying you did have any magic secrets, just comparing how some people are or get thinking they know something the rest of the world doesn't. I believe in sharing knowledge too.

I use printroom classic account and I'm very happy with it considering I don't pay an annual fee. I've also

looked at Exposure Manager and another one I just saw but can't find on these forums like picture pro but its

very different. Pictage is offline right now so I can't compare them but I'll put my experiences and research on

the above here quickly...

 

Printroom - The faults I have with printroom are minor, for the free acount I have few complaints. However their

available products are typical. They offer prints in pretty much every possible size but until recently it was

only glossy or matte finish. They finally added fine art and metallic prints. Everyone seems to offer coffee

mugs and mouse pads but those things seem to me like something you want to put a snapshot on not a wedding photo.

I'm not thrilled with the 13% + 3% they charge but I understand there is overhead and I set my prices

accordingly and accept it. The printroom manager software works well to manage galleries but I still have to

tweak the gallery settings online like password protecting them.

 

Exposure Manager - $64 or $99 annual fee, percentage of sales, almost identical to printroom with a few

exceptions. I noticed that they had unlimited storage where printroom I don't think offers that and that was a

good thing IMO. Other than that I think they were very similar.

 

Pictures Pro - This is a very different approach to photo shopping carts, this is a $279 one time fee for the

software, charge accounts, hosting, etc are all additional/separate fees. However Pictures Pro may have the

flexibility I wish to offer to my customers. This isn't a site like printroom or exposure manager or others,

this is MY site with my domain name. There may be some complexity setting up Pictures Pro on a hosting service

especially for a novice, especially getting email and other aspects of your online business setup you may have

challenges. Its a smaller support network than say printroom, and printroom has been very helpful support wise.

 

I hope that helps, ultimately neither of these options helps you to market yourself and get word out that you are

in business and

taking orders. Search engine optimization and marketing are two separate concepts to drive business to your

site. That step is really up to you.

It's interesting to read the responses here and reflect on my own experiences. My first few hockey games was a learning experience getting the settings just right to capture everything well. Ice Hockey can be a difficult subject. However I found that while the camera settings are fairly straightforward, none of the other photographers were very friendly. They didn't want to share settings or ideas or collaborate thinking it might give them an edge. This is not a philosophy I agree with, just knowing ISO, Aperture, and Shutter speed isn't going to help me get good photos. It will help with exposure issues but a good light meter will tell me that also. Holding technical information close to your chest works well with cooking and recipes but not with photography.

 

I find that a good book on a subject can be good advice so recommending a book on lighting or exposure instead of explaining how I do something can be PC and still resolve the problem.

So I went on a quick trip and come home and find the PN forums have a new look and feel. I have to admit, though

I'm ranting a bit as well, that I do not like the new look and feel. Sometimes I think too much technology or

whistles and bells and the experience suffers. I understand the need to remain competitive, breathing in new

life, but now it seems dificult to just read what I want to read. I never was a fan of the unified view, just a

simple listing of forum by topic and a broad listing of each posting was nice and easy, now it pops up all over

the place with help and hints I don't need and a confusing listing below. Its irritating because I want to click

and it wants to hover a dialog box telling me the obvious - medium format is for medium format discussions, yeah

I got that from the title, duh. ok I'm venting I digress. I don't know which listing, the bold or subtle is the

current posts I want to read or just general 'latest posts', I can't make heads or tails of whats in front of me now.

 

I have been a lurker on PN for years under a few names (I keep forgetting passwords and changing email addresses)

and was on the verge of actually paying the subscriber fee this time but now I don't know. Am I the only one

that doesn't like the new look and feel to the forums? if So I'll go elsewhere that's not a big deal. Sorry for

venting, part of me knows why change is implemented and a big part of me resists that change. I really do not

like how PN forums are now and fear I may be the only one unfortunately I don't think the quality of other photo

forums is all that good, here people contributed a lot.

 

Just my opinion and I'll probably get yelled at for it.

 

Confused by whats on my screen.

There are a few sites such as Printroom, Exposure manager, and others (photoreflect may be similar) that might suit your purposes. Getting your own domain name, setting up a website, etc can be daunting for someone non-technical. I know when I set up my 1st domain years ago I was stumped time and again.

 

Printroom and Exposure manager simplify the photo hosting experience but also charge a fee. Last time I looked it was about 16% for printroom, so 16% of orders goes to them - a $100 order means you get $84. They have a free account, or a subscription based account that offers more storage space. You can password protect galleries, set up unique price lists for different galleries, etc. All very flexible. The nice thing about these services is that they handle the over head of printing, shipping, etc. So while you're paying them 16% or so, you also don't have to worry about printing and getting to the post office etc. Its a compromise.

 

I am looking into Pictures Pro and it looks similar with out the fee's, however you are responsible for everything at this point. That's something I haven't decided if I'm interested in yet - I like less headaches and not having to drive all over creation to fulfill an order. That being said, there are some very creative things you can do these days that I wish to offer and it might be worth it to take over that aspect of my so-called business.

Joseph nailed it when he said will power is what you need to slow down, and perhaps decaf. For me, I tried 35mm

film in the 80s in highschool but never really worked out beyond the Program AE settings. There was some cool

stuff I did but not taking a class and not fully comprehending things, well we didnt' have the internet we have

today. So I'm a digital shooter that's turned to film. On a whim I bought into MF and while I say the same

things like "it slows me down" (I don't drink coffee so the decaf doesn't apply) its true that will power and

discipline would do the same thing. However the tool (MF) is what helped. Now, when I shoot digital, I still

don't slow down but I'm getting better. ;)

 

Having shot 645 and now 4x5, I would steer you into Large Format over Medium format. The first time I pulled a

roll of MF film out of the tank I was stunned and awed. Now I've never pulled 35mm out of the tank but I can't

see anything that small so there won't the be WOW that comes with 6x7 or larger, or even 6x6 for that matter.

But when you pull 4x5 out, its incredible. (assuming you got focus and everything right). How is it

different/better than 35mm or digital?

 

I like the flow, I like that I have to and want to think about what I'm doing, what I"m shooting, why I'm

shooting it. With digital its spray and pray, I can't comment in 35mm. With MF or LF, its a conscious effort.

For me going to medium and large format wasn't so much about the technicals like megapixels or tonality or even

range - at an artistic level I don't care about those. Its that I want to consciously experience the shot -

taking it, composing it, thinking about it, developing it, and eventually - some day, printing it in a wet

darkroom. Ok, maybe just a slightly damp darkroom.

After reading this and the responses my first reaction/thought was this: "No one said you had to go to college."

While technically that's a true statement, college isn't required, it is the preferred method of spending 4+

years drinking and chasing the opposite sex in a semi-controlled environment. Oh, and you might learn something

there too, its been known to happen.

 

About a year ago I responded to an ad looking for a photographer to shoot local college sports, mostly women's

basketball. I inquired, asked a few things and learned that they do not pay. I came to the conclusion that

lacking any photo credentials, which is what college does provide is a form of entry-level credential, (4 years

here learning about art and photography. Each successive job becomes another credential as well, 2yrs local

paper, 4 years regional paper, 8 months sports magazine. Each is a form of proof that you are a professional,

it becomes your resume.) So I agreed to work for them to learn about sports photography, is this something I

would be interested in pursing as a career choice/change. (oddly enough I've worked in IT fields for 15+ years

and needed change)

 

Initially it was interesting and for most of the people that answer such ads or try for such things, they're just

fans that want a little better access to enjoy something they are a fan of. I learned a lot and promised myself

I wouldn't let it go for more than a year considering it as an internship, nothing permanent as I want a paycheck

for the work I was doing. I learned that sports photography is hard work, a lot of running around during the

game, hours at the computer reviewing and submitting your work, and if you freelance, more time spent chasing

down buyers to your work. On top of all that, I was constantly sent to sporting events I had no interest in.

Basketball doesn't interest me, football doesn't interest me, lacrosse - no, swimming - no. The one sport I love

and was interested in is Ice hockey and they didn't want to send me to a game. I pushed, I shoved, I forced them

to let me shoot ice hockey, and when I did I loved it. Some hockey games I shot over 1000 pictures, I averaged

600 per game and had a very high percentage of 'keepers' so I was learning and proud. Friends and family would

boast how some of my stuff was as good or better than the AP or other 'paid' work, but I wasn't getting paid and

it bothered me. For the fan that isn't getting paid, they don't see photography the same way - they're fans,

not business people. Its not a business to them, the photograph is a perk of being on the sidelines, sure you

can have it! If somehow they got published, its just another perk for them.

 

After a year I left that organization for many reasons. I learned that I don't want to be a sports photographer.

For one thing I'm not getting paid plus I could be taking money out of someone else' pocket, secondly I'm not

getting to shoot the sport I like. If a photographer tells the editor, 'um, no sir i don't want to go shoot

the NFL game today.' he won't remain a photographer for long. And that will be the fan's response most of the

time. I'm busy with the family, I'm doing this or that.

 

I enjoyed my internship, learned a lot, and will find ways to continue to shoot hockey, but not for free and not

as often. I'm looking for more artistic ways to capture hockey. For the professionals that make a living - the

only thing I can say is stand up, be that professional you visualize yourself as. Remember, in a field as

subjective and dynamic as Photography, it is the photographer's responsibility to grow and change ones self to

reflect a changing market. If the unpaid amateurs are taking your business, find a way to re-market yourself to

reclaim that business. For my way of thinking, that's 1/2 the reason for getting into photography, is the

challenge of the business as much as the thrill of capturing an important shot. The alternative is to work 9-5

in a box otherwise known as a cubicle.

 

There are two options I see - the pro's can whine that the market they originally staked out is dwindling away,

or they can reinvent themselves, re-market themselves, and reclaim that market. It sounds good anyway...

 

 

Some of the photo oriented sites are also good like Printroom and Exposure Manager, which allows most of what you need as well as password protected galleries as well as the capability for your visitors to order prints at prices you specify. My printroom account has no annual fee, 300MB of space, and I can have many galleries each with a password, and each gallery can have its own price list. The nice aspect is that when someone does order a print, printroom takes care of printing and the customer pays shipping.

 

I would link to my gallery but I am sort of required by NCAA rules to keep it protected as its entirely college sports. email me if you wish to see it. I like what I get from printroom and with no overhead until someone places an order its easy to maintain. That leaves it to me to promote my site and get visitors there and place orders.

 

That doesn't mean printroom is the best, there are many others worth looking in to.