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<p>yes Brad, it was indeed centimeters. If I remember correctly you've printed some 30x30 inch. Must be a sight.</p>

<p>and to add to the extra value you mentioned, I commute by train every day for two hours so I watch video as well. Just watched The King's Speech. Also a great way to unwind after a day of shooting. Versatile camera or what? ;-)</p>

<p>Leslie firstly, your opinion is as valid as mine or anyone elses. Secondly, your mind seems set, not that I would try to convince you otherwise. On the other hand it's quite conceivable you may have missed something, that's why I'm going to explain.</p>

<p>The word movement was perhaps not as unluckily chosen after all. There's no denying that cam phones and in particular the iPhone have created an alltogether different, or more precise, an added approach to creative photography. A lot of this is certainly due to the retro <a href="http://hipstamatic.com/the_app.html"><strong>Hipstamatic app</strong></a></p>

<p>For most this is only fun. For some, like Brad, Travis and me, it's a lot more than that. From a personal point of view I think there's an immediacy that's hard to get from a P&S or a 35mm (D)SLR. Then there's availability, it's a camera that I always and I do mean always carry with me.</p>

<p>As for quality, sure it's a tiny weeny wide angle lens with a fixed aperture of 2,8 and ISO 80, serious limitations for sure. And yet it's possible to create great photography with that. I'm not going to tell you it compares to a (D)SLR or even a high-end P&S because it doesn't. On the other hand I've created 30x30 prints that I would use without any hesitation in a gallery exhibit.</p>

<p>Consider this, the most important museum on contemporary art in the Netherlands, the <a href="http://www.kunsthal.nl/en-22-681-Hipstamatic.html"><strong>Kunsthal</strong></a> did a major and prominant exhibit on just this kind of photography in 2011 and by know they've decided to go on with that.<br /> In the US, to give just one example, there's the<a href="http://iphoneographymiami.com/"><strong> iPhoneography</strong></a> annual exhibit in Miami. Now, I know from firsthand experience that curators in places like this are people who take art very serious so one would think there's something to it.</p>

<p>In the end it all deals with serious photography (and I for one take my photography very serious). Some may not like it but by now it's quite certain that it's a lot more than just another hype. It's about photography.</p>

<p>BTW, Travis is Travis Jensen, one helluva SF based photographer who does not frequent this forum.</p>

<p>nothing to add that you don't already know other than that I think your standards are high and you consequently deliver. Great you keep showing us your results.</p>

<p>and another one in favour of this very book. However, I feel that apart from actually doing it looking at or even studying the work of great streetphotographers from the past is even more worthwhile.</p>

<p>Leslie, to begin with I always welcome constructive feedback so thanks for that but I think you misunderstood about why I like the quote of Travis. The reason is fairly simple, I come from a very traditional background as well. The Academy I went to, and the very reason for choosing that particular one, was they still used traditional techniques as part of their program, all the old procede's. The emphasis was on photography and developing and printing technique. It took me a fairly long time to switch to digital as a result and I was just as hesitant about using my iPhone for any "serious" photography until quit recently.<br>

As for your question, I hardly ever shoot manual. I prefer to use aperture or shutter priority when using a camera that has these features, which nowadays is almost all digital.</p>

<p>As for the rest, and mind you I never thought about it as deeply as this very text might suggest, using that iPhoneography tab does send the message that gear isn't as important as it is often made out to be which is exactly what you are getting at as well.</p>

<p>No app is going to create you a good photo but shooting with a (relatively speaking) low-res phonecamera doesn't mean one can't create outstanding results, with or without using apps.</p>

<p>to which I might add, I carry my iPhone with me all the time which I don't with any cam, not even a P&S</p>

<p>Thanks Brad. I think there are a few lesson's in here:<br>

-gear doesn't matter, not really<br>

-limitations can be assets<br>

-street: shoot close, very close</p>

<p>I still shoot most of my work with a (D)SLR or a MF camera but find myself using my iPhone more often. When I was walking the frozen canals in Amsterdam two weeks ago I used my iPhone a lot more than I did my DSLR. It's fun and about the obvious limitations I feel very much at home by what Travis said about that the other day:<br>

<em> "Coming from a traditional photography background, I was very anti iPhoneography in the begining. I felt that mobile photography was almost like cheating in a way, because the camera does all the work: sets shutter speed, aperture, etc. But now I just don't care"</em><br>

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<p>Geoff, sorry about that. Rookie error which Jeff luckily corrected for.</p>

<p>Jeff, thanks and yes, I already knew that. Wasn't fishing though. Well actually I was but more about the lay-out. Wasn't sure about that white background to be honest. Also the number of photos was a bit of a dilemma because I don't like websites with too many potos. Still not sure.</p>

<p>Thanks Brad, yes it does that. I e-mailed them about that but they told me they are not going to change that soon. I could do that myself but I'm not that HTML savvy. A friend of me is though, perhaps he can correct for that. BTW, I'm going to shoot some more photos on the track this year and publish the results. I've talked to a few people and all say it's worth to be published but they find the risk too great, no surprise really. Nowadays even with wellknown photographers, which I'm not, they tend to float a proof on the internet to get an indication to see if it's commercially worth their while. You can hardly fault them for that. Until a few years ago we had subsidies to get this kind of work published. Another well dried up so it will probably be self-publishing in the end. Seeing your results that's also a nice way to do things.</p>

<p>Thanks Matt, yes the mobile version seems to work fine. I actually set out to not using flash. Much more practical this way.</p>

<p>started all over again and wanted it as clean as simple so the emphasis goes to where it belongs, the actual photography. It's still mobile ready.</p>

<p>Your input would be appreciated. Thanks.</p>

<p>I'm in the Netherlands and to date I have to see the first flashing add let alone one with sound. Using FF btw.</p>

<p>No, it's not a typo. It's the new <a href="http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-808-pureview/specifications"><strong>Nokia Pureview 808</strong></a> with Carl Zeiss optics</p>

<p>describing Cindy Sherman's work as merely a gimmick is laughable. It's evoking, confronting and shows a kind of reality but always with a twist. It's multilayered for anyone who is willing to look beyond what often seems to be a mere representation. For those who don't they will only see yet another version of Sherman herself playing a different role yet again. It's the obvious downside of using herself as a prop over all those years but what she has done is in fact create a brilliant body of work that over the years only will become better and more appreciated for what it is.<br /> Her work sells for large sums of money now sure but it can hardly be described as commercial work, quite the contrary in fact.<br /> Yes, I've seen Sherman's work exhibited and regret not being able to visit this one as well.</p>

<p>That's why I said Assad is killing his own people. We don't disagree</p>

<p>It never is Elmo. Reports indicate that reporters/photographers are hunted down and targeted by the Syrian army/government. Some will say that they choose to be there which is essentialy true but what they are doing there IS important given the staggering amount of civilians caught in the crossfire. Assad is killing of his own people. Who's going to stop him?</p>

<p>Remi Ochlik and American reporter Marie Colvin died today in Syria,<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17124786"><strong> see here</strong></a></p>

<p><a href="http://www.ochlik.com/"><strong>Remi's website</strong></a></p>

<p>thanks for the link Jeff</p>

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<p>I think it's a great idea. We had something like this in the street & doc forum and although the response wasn't overwhelming it was almost always interesting.</p>

<p><a href="../street-documentary-photography-forum/00YQi7?start=10"><strong>Here's a link to one of them </strong></a></p>

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<p>perhaps the situation in your country is different Michael. We don't see much of that to be honest.</p>

 

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<p>to observe the letter as well as the spirit of the law</p>

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<p>amen to that</p>

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<p>There is no implication that it extends anyone's right to intrude on a crime or accident scene.</p>

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<p>Charles, it's not about intruding that I worry, it's about them being there in the first place let alone intruding or worse.</p>

<p>Brad yes, we have laws and like I said in these cases the penalties are tripled.</p>

<p>Yes, most of those are indeed due to substance abuse but an increasing amount is not. That's one of the reasons why I'm so adamant about keeping people away from such scenes.</p>

<p>who knows Brad, if you take it literally it could become a grey area.</p>

<p>Not too long ago they did a survey in the Netherlands concerning violence towards emergency personel. Here are the staggering results:<br>

81% of hospital staff<br>

77% of police officers<br>

76% of ambulance staff &<br>

44% of firemen<br>

encounter violence in their line of work on a regular basis. It's not just that most of these are under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs, in a lot of cases we see an increasing amount of fairly ordinary people who go berserk sometimes without any apparent reason. The same seems true of other western societies. As a result they tripled the legal penalties over here but so far it doesn't seem to improve much.<br>

Given all of that you sure don't want people entering a scene, with or without a camera, where they simply don't belong.</p>

<p>I've worked at such scenes and personally I can't see any reason why anybody would want to be there in the first place other than getting a cheap thrill at the expense of others. As far as I'm concerned they should throw the book at them, real hard.</p>