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<p>When did fine art become this noble pursuit that suddenly went commercialized? It's always been a commodity. I'd suggest the book "Ways of Seeing" by John Berger. It's small, an easy read BUT eye opening.</p>

<p>yeah let's channel Ansel Adams. He might have something to say.</p>

<p>actually an Ilford rep told me that their film sales have skyrocketed. As I've said many times to many people, film is going become like vinyl records. In the 80's record companies started to make vinyl thinner, it warped easier. So the consummer would think they were getting an inferior product. (compare a vinyl record from the 60's to the 80's, you'll see the difference.)CDs started to come down in price and become affordable as did the players. Everyone rushed out sold their players, and vinyl collection. In the early 90's you could get an original Bob Dylan album used for about 5 bucks in mint condtion. Now, it's 50.00 dollars. Record companies have also started to put more releases on vinyl again. The demand is there, the supply isn't, at least for the records. The same thing is happening with film and digital. The fact is marketing was/is ignoring the demand film. Personally I prefer film because I like hard copies. I'm a hybrid photogrpaher. And in reality I'll shoot anything. I'm also sick of camera companies marketing and fear mongering. (if you don't have the newest and best you won't be taken seriously as a professional photographer, etc.)</p>

<p>Its funny because we are talking about a time that paitings and new styles did cause riots in the street. Photography helped in making painting move as fast as it did in the early 20th centuary. The artist was more free to create and experiment. The controversial becomes mundane to future generations, but the works still maintians greatness. Think about it, Nude Desending a Staircase by Duchamp caused an uproar now its a fine example of a cubist style painting.</p>

<p>I personally think what Picasso was saying with that quote is more about breaking new ground, going beyond the usual and mundane. If he was anchored by the good taste of his day there wouldn't have been cubism. Duchamp was the same way. Following good taste leads to a lack of vision. Lack of vision is the enemy of creativity.</p>

<p>Stop using Costco, take it to a pro lab, it maybe more $$ but well worth it. I would have it printed on a Light Jet 5000. It can make a print form a 35mm neg/slide look like it was done by an 8x10. Personally after working in labs, I'd say it all depends on the quality of negative and or scan. Also consider where you are going to hang it? Will it be in a small room? Or a large room. People don't view artwork at close range, most people will stand six to 10 feet back. I have to agree there a lot of variables.<br>

here is a link for some info on the lightjet<br>

http://www.reedphoto.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=48&Itemid=68</p>

<p>Todd, did you ever think it might be a user issue? With film cameras don't forget the body, was just a metal box and lenses were what mainly counted for clarity. On a day to day level I deal with people who never shot a roll of film in their lives. They do tend to be students, and when they do have to deal with film they get huffy because most of them aren't photographers as such but more digital artists. Its all so funny. I'm glad I use both.</p>

<p>I like Rollie's tech pan and Agfa if you can find it still. I thought for any T-Max film you needed to develop it in the T-Max developer to get the "benefit" of the T- Grains from it?</p>

<p>Cheap and high quality? Its not going to happen with any camera company. I'm sorry to say that. I work in photo retail. I'd put a TS on my 30D without a second thought.<br>

Why do everything in post? There are times when you have to correct things, but if you have the right tools from the start it's that much better. This might come from my years in the darkroom and shooting film, which I still prefer. I like to work with my mistakes and see what images I can make from them.</p>