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Oh wow that's interesting. In what regards?

<p>I currently own the following all canon equipment:<br>

7D, 17-40 f4, 24-70 f2.8, 70-200 f2.8 IS, 85 f1.8, 135 f2<br>

The 70-200/2.8 lens just wasn't cutting it for indoor volleyball so I recently purchased the 135/2.0 and haven't picked up the 70-200 since. The combo of 85 f1.8, 135 f2.0, and 24-70 has worked great for indoor basketball and volleyball. <br>

My problem is for general purpose and travel I find that I need to carry 2-3 lenses with the 7D. <br>

I'm thinking about selling the 17-40, 24-70, and 70-200 and buying the 5D Mk II, 35/2.0, 24-105/4.0 and basically considering the 7D my sports camera and the 5D MkII my social event, travel, general purpose camera. The only hesitation is that I may miss my 70-200 when baseball season rolls around but crops look great with the 7D 135/f2 combo. <br>

Thoughts/comment?</p>

<p>Thanks!</p>

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<p>I agree Bob with some non L lens being fantastic lenses. I have no problem choosing my 85/1.8 lens over the 70-200 2.8 for portraits or indoor low light events. Well, I'm suggesting lower profile to mean a little less expensive looking equipment, a little more space in the bag, and a lighter bag. I will probably end up having both as well with the 24-70 becoming more of a niche lens. Thanks for taking the time to reply, especially on Easter Sunday!</p>

<p>Wow, I just read this and I am so saddened by this news. I had backed away from wedding and events for the last 6 months or so because things had got so busy and hadn't been back to pnet up until now. Nadine was such a sweetheart and always willing to share and help others. I learned so much from Nadine. She will definitely be remembered for helping others. My condolences goes out to her family she will be missed...</p>

<p>Anyone trade in their Canon 24-70 f2.8 for the 24-105 f4 and regret it? I really want the 24-105 f4 lens mostly as a general purpose and travel lens just to be a little more low profile, but can't see myself trading in the 2.8 lens to help cover the expense. I've cut back on wedding and events just because work and family leaves little time for any other that, but when I get back into it I'm sure I'd miss that lens if I got rid of it. So its mostly travel, around the house, school events, family functions, etc. type of photography now. My general purpose and travel equipment right now is the 40D with 17-40 and 85/1.8 to be low profile, but I would like to travel with my 5D instead and want the 24-105 lens for that which is lower profile than the 24-70. Also, any other thoughts on an "L" quality full frame travel lens?</p>

<p>a ratio is just a quotient right, basically one number divided by another. as long as the numerator and denominator are defined the ratio has meaning and we can all be talking about the same thing. so we are all correct as long as we define the two numbers we are dividing. now when we talk "percents" we have to be specific because percents compare parts to a whole. maybe nadine can change the title of the thread :-)</p>

<p>this comes in really handy with shots from the balcony. just set up the camera on a tripod and remote trigger (be sure you're not in the shot) to get nice wide angle shots of the ceremony from above. that's the only time i have used it. i can usually work all angles from the main floor pretty good its just that going up in the balcony and back down takes lots of time and you risk missing important shots from below. for example, i got caught up there once for the kiss. in the end it make a nice shot but that's not how i typically do it. and remember to retrieve your setup before you leave the church!</p>

<p>steve may be thinking in terms of lighting ratios which can be confusing but i don't want to change the subject here. im assuming that once you get a pretty solid handle on your "style" you don't waste time taking shots you know wont pass the "keepers" test and end up with a lot less pictures to sort through on the post processing end of things. </p>

<p>basically trying to state that for every 3 pictures taken, there's 1 keeper. a 2:1 ratio would be the number of rejects (600) to keepers (300).</p>

<p>steve, 900 divided by 300 is 3:1 right? 300 is 1/3 of 900. peter, what's your average hit ratio?</p>

<p>on average my ratio of number of pictures taken vs used is 3:1. in other words, i only end up using about 1/3 of the pictures taken to provide the level of coverage and tell the story per my vision from the wedding day. for instance, i may take 900 pictures but only delivery 300 for 4 hours of coverage, and take 1800 but only deliver 600 for 8 hours of coverage. i like where i'm at as far as deliverables and am trying to get my ratio down to about 2:1. most of the shots i end up not using occur on the dance floor and during the getting ready phases it seems. maybe this is when i'm the most trigger happy! just curious where others are with their ratios and if this is something others are trying to improve on as well?</p>

<p>last weekend's wedding. this was the bride and groom's favorite shot. canon 5D, 24-70@iso 1000, 1/30th, f2.8</p><div></div>

<p>sorry i haven't had much time behind the computer since posting the question, but thanks for taking the time to reply! i'd say 99% of the time my flash head is pointed 45 degrees when i have the omnibounce on it whether indoors or out. i do find many times when outdoors i have to take it off because it's robbing too much flash power and i can't get a proper flash exposure. but for those shots where i'm in relatively close on my subjects i always use it with the flash head pointed 45 degrees and seem to get better quality of light than if i had the bare flash point straight on. i will experiment more with balancing flash and ambient though because i know i don't have it completely nailed down. i'd love to use the omnibounce less because it does burn up the batteries quick. so my thoughts were that it is a big waste of light but not a total wast because on close up shots you can improve quality with it tilted 45 degrees. and that 45 degrees scattered light hitting your subject is better quality than straight on</p>

just curious to pull people's opinion on the omni bounce outdoors with nothing to bounce light off of, is it really a total waste?

<p>great...thanks for the responses! when i'm using flash in bright sunlight it seems as though i can't get away from using high speed sync mode. i need the wider f stop for my flash to properly expose which takes my shutter speed above sync speed. this is usually when i have stubborn subjects that don't want to move to a better location. </p>

in a bright background outdoor situation with only a speedlight flash (say 580 ex) do you find yourself settling for bare flash type light just

to get a proper flash exposure? this is assuming your subject is in the shade with a bright background and you're trying to properly expose

the background and use flash to light the subject. i took some test shots and usually have to take my omnbounce off the flashhead . things

I've taken into account are using a wide aperature with relatively high iso and fast shutter speed.

<p>glad others are taking something away from this as well!  so is there a such thing as a 1:1 ratio?  do you get this with both flashes set at the same power and on opposite sides of the camera at 90 degrees?

<p>great points everyone. and thanks for the links. joe, you and mark are likely on the same page. he said relationship (which could mean stops) not 2:1 ratio. i was actually thinking wrong along those lines so thanks for the link! considering that 45 degree lighting is the most basic, i want to be able to demonstrate this before branching out to others. i see quite a few sites illustrate both lights set 45 degrees but on opposite sides. that's actually what i was doing before getting your feedback here. i snaps a few shots with the lights placed as you all describe here and am much more pleased with the results. one more question though, i've heard the height of the key light should be about one foot above the head as mentioned here, but is that referring to the bottom of the umbrella, middle of the umbrella, or top? and should the umbrella also be angles 45 degrees down with the swivel piece? thanks!</p>

<p>can someone explain the proper placement of a two light setup for 45 degree lighting? are both key and fill lights equal distant from the subject? how far away from the subject? how high above the subject head? is 45 degrees always relative to the direction the nose points? does this lighting setup only work for certain poses? my equipment is two 580 EX's (with an ST-E2 on my 5D w/24-70 lens) and i have two 36" and one 45" umbrella. sorry for all the questions but its been a little frustrating trying to get this right. any help would be appreciated...thanks!</p>

<p>from a small but very nice wedding on saturday. canon 5d, 70-200 2.8 @ 70mm, f6.7, 1/320th, iso 640, no flash</p><div></div>

<p>canon 40D, 24-70@24mm, f2.8, 1/60th, iso 1250, on camera 580ex w/omnibounce</p><div></div>

<p>i wanted something a little different for the "kiss" shot. this was kinda risky because i had to make it back to the center isle in time for the big exit and i did (wheh!). i shot the kiss shot from the balcony then dashed down the stairs, down the hall, through the doors, and back in the center isle to catch the b&g exiting. i wanted something a little different than the typical closeup of the kiss with the minister staring down at them. i was hoping to capture a shot that was about the moment and reactions to the moment. but the trick was making it back down in time. this is probably best done using a second camera on a tripod with remote trigger but i'm not equipped for that yet. no need for critique. just wanted to share. canon 5D and 24-70 2.8</p><div></div>

<p>well, here's my shot from yesterday (see "subject separation from background" thread). thanks for the feedback although i missed most of it because i had to leave early for the wedding. but i did move the couple forward compared to the 2009 image and shot for a slight underexposure on the background. canon 5D, 24-70 @ 27mm iso 400, 1/40th, f4.0. first time experimenting with a two light setup on the job, and the setup was one 580ex on a light stand slightly to left and one 580ex on-camera for fill.</p><div></div>

<p>great suggestions! thx!</p>

<p>here's a photo from '09 and i will be shooting at the same church today. i'm curious to know how others would have exposed the background? would you have exposed for the highlights in the background? and would the effects of that have created more subject background separation (made the background darker)? my thoughts are yes and i plan to get there early and experiment with the lighting before the ceremony. one other thought i have is to move the couple up the isle use a long lens and blur the background. what would you do here? thx!</p><div></div>