j_robinson2

I did read the topics on this lower on the page before posting the question. The idea of shooting color & converting doesn't help much when I am thinking B&W at the time of shooting. After spending the past few days in the darkroom with a friend who was contact printing his 8x10, 7x17 and 8x20 B&W negs while we were talking about the process I thought I would ask.

We choose our B&W films, developers, papers, formats and materials for a specific vision and purpose. Thinking through shooting color first & then trying to decide seems to me to be shotgunning in the approach to the final image. Fuzzy thinking that will lead to a few lucky photos rather than hitting what you want from the start. Way different from the Weston/Caponigro ideas I so admire and also way different from an Ernst Haas/Eliot Porter way of seeing and interpreting the world. 'Point and pray' has never been a way I want to photograph or print. Control is one thing I want from start to finish and as many choices, tools and programs there are in digital I don't see the idea of converting as conducing to good results.

 

If all I wanted was sunsets and the same old 'pretty pictures' and the mental sterility of "I am going to XXX national park, where and what time do I go for the 'best' pictures and light" then I would do what I see here so often, go with the flow & work it out in photoshop. I don't see that way and don't photograph that way. It is a lazy persons way of working.

 

Maybe the digital stuff isn't really what I should be doing. So much emphasis on tricks and effects and little on content & quality.

Am shooting the digital with a new 30D and have been using Canon

digital for some time now. Want to do some B&W work and don't know

which will give me the best results.

 

Do I shoot B&W using the in camera B&W monochrome settings? Or shoot

color and convert in photoshop using one of the various methods it

offers. Or shoot in Color and use a B&W specific computer program?

 

I am used to B&W silver darkroom and am looking for digital to come

as close to the quality I get there as possible.

Have a nice Epson 2400 printer and have friends who want to come

over & either print on it or have me print some of their photos with

it. Need to figure out how to price the ink cost for their photos.

 

The closest I come is figuring out possible ink costs per square

inch, kind of like figuring out the cost for picture framing

materials using 'united inches' as the factor.

 

Anyone know where I would find out what the actual expected ink

usage might be to get a figure on this? I want to be able to do the

prints while charging enough to pay for replacement inks plus

wear/depreciation on the printer. Paper costs are easy. The only

complications I can see are that at times we will print more than

one print while getting things set up for the final print and this

has to be taken into account as well.

 

Any website that has an analysis of the costs of printing with these

things will be welcome.

In doing some reading I come up with the Delkin Gold DVD's as supposedly the longest lasting and "best" solution. Any real information on how they compare to those mentioned above will be appreciated. I just want to be able to burn images to DVD's and have them readable, usable and lasting as long as possible.

Why won't they send rebates to a P.O. Box when that is where some of us get our mail? No home delivery where I live. Guess I won't be taking advantage of this one.

"The roads in the Valley are bad and bad and bad!"

 

Yep, you are definately from New York. The roads are normal and typical dirt roads, nothing unusual. Just right for a pickup truck in clearance & wheelbase.

 

The rooms at Gouldings all have a view of the valley. They are clean and comfortable. What more can you expect?

Turn the camera 90 degrees and you won't have it cropped top and bottom any longer.

Another vote for the 200 2.8. I have one and it is used for sports work often. Very nice to have the wide aperture. The lens is excellent and the images sharper than the 80-200's friends use. Lightweight & fast focus as well as a nice & bright focusing screen.

Since when is baseball too fast for manual focus? The players can nap while 'playing' this game. For a century baseball has been photographed with manual focus gear and it has been done well.

Send me $3595 and I will get you a 5D and you will get a $300 rebate as well. Such a deal... and the camera won't even be have the screens in Korean.

I called a few of them while rinsing prints and then flattening others in the dry mount press. It was all I could do to keep from laughing at some of them. No, I didn't buy a "special 1 gig card" for only $499.00 because my Sandisk Extreme III cards aren't the right ones for a 20D. But I am boning up on reading Korean...

EOS 20D Digital Sale $749

Great Prices, Great Service Call us first, 800-298-9513

www.BestDigitalOnline.com

 

 

The above is the ad to the right of the answers & comments on this post. Call them after going to their website & you find out the closest they can come to the price quoted is $1199.

 

Why doesn't Photo.net police the advertisers?

Thought I would call & see what these guys really do on the 'too

good to be true' deals.

First, everything that is in the makers package/box is included.

Then, since I wasn't going to buy accessories like the "new 180

speed 1 megabyte care" which, the sales guy informed me "was the

only card that would work with this camera since these won't work

with normal CF cards", it went downhill from there.

Now the $649 is for the "international model" which has displays

only in Korean and can't be changed, takes 3-5 weeks to get to me

rather than the 3 days for $59.95 he first told me, and is not built

to the same standards as the US model 20D.

Also, the international models don't come with a battery or charger

and the computer disks are all in Korean and the cords are to Asian

standards rather than US and won't work here. So, "Do I still want

to buy the camera", or would I rather get the USA model for a bit

more?

 

This guy was funnier than a TV sitcom by far.

"My trip to the Great Salt lake was spent looking at a near closed amusement park from yesteryear. this was off the interstate at the south end. I am sure there are other areas that are neat, but that is not it."

 

You didn't get out of your car & walk much. Near the marina and old SaltAir resort are beaches that stretch for miles. Views of Antelope Island. Water and wind erosion action with very nice forms on the South end of the lake.

 

You are right. At many locations the lake smells. Natural phenomona from untold billions of dead brine shrimp and brine flys that feed the migrant bird populations that fly through and feed the billion dollar brine shrimp industry.

 

Keep going to RedRock country. It is much prettier and you will be a lot happier there. GSL needs to be quiet & less visited so those of us who do work there won't have your tracks in the salt and sand.<div></div>

It may also help dampen harmonic vibrations when using the camera, from tripod or shutter tripping.

The HP line can print beautiful images but be aware that any moisture, even a drop, can wipe the ink right off the paper. Epson doesn't have this problem with their newer printers. High humidity in a frame of storage can cause too many problems with inks that sensitive. I looked carefully at the HP 130 but the moisture test shot me directly to Epson. One small drop of spit from a friend talking as he looked at the HP sample print... wipe it off... and there went the ink. So, we tried the same thing with the Epson and there was no problem. Why court disaster when you know it happens?

http://www.sportsshooter.com/members.html?id=606

 

Take a look. Like it or not, it exists and is legal in many places.

Get to go & watch a friend play. What to watch for and watch out for

as I will be on the sidelines with 85/200/400mm lenses.

Am used to American football and this is new to me. Will hope to get

something worthwhile but a suggestions or two from experience might

help up the quality a bit.

Bet if you order the Canon 30D you will get it before the D200 Nikon.

Whoopie Doo, a 16 megapixel back. What a farce this is. For less one can buy a Canon 1Ds Mark II and have more versatility in lenses & much higher performance for work in so many areas.

 

After introducing their overpriced rectangular format Hassie & pissing on their heritage of square images they come up with THIS???

 

Go jump in a fjord!

Haven't heard much about Death Valley this spring. How are the

wildflowers? How are the roads in and out? Have they got things

squared away on roads, both paved & dirt, since the flooding last

year?

What is closed & open for 4wd in the park and what restrictions are

in place for those who may want to hit some of the back roads?

 

Did all the flooding last year have a positive effect on the

wildflower shows this spring?

->> "My goal is--and always will be--to create photos that few

attempt. The key is to be comfortable with risk. I shoot a ton of

images standing right there shoulder-to-shoulder with my peers. But

my favorite photographs are always the ones that I make on the edge

of failure."

From the post: "Dare to be different"

 

Scott Strazzante

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/sports_olympicphotos/

Kind of appropriate in some ways, AP carps at the rights grab of the

LPGA while screwing anyone who would shoot for AP out of all rights

to everything.

 

 

 

Feb. 22, 2006, 7:34PM

AP Denied Access to LPGA Tournament

 

 

ﾩ 2006 The Associated Press

 

KAPOLEI, Hawaii ﾗ The Associated Press was denied credentials to

cover the LPGA Fields Open tournament Wednesday in a dispute over

new restrictions on use of its stories and photos.

 

AP reporter Jaymes Song was not allowed on the course during

Wednesday's practice rounds or in the media room to cover Michelle

Wie's pretournament news conference after refusing to sign the

credential form with the new restrictions. Freelance photographer

Ronen Zilberman also refused to sign the form and was denied a

credential.

 

The tournament begins Thursday.

 

Without an agreement, AP sports editor Terry Taylor said the AP will

not provide photographs or other news coverage of LPGA events but

will carry final scores.

 

The LPGA said the restrictions were in line with other pro sports

organizations and would not limit news-gathering access, but

were "designed to maintain and protect the LPGA's existing rights

regarding images used for commercial purposes unrelated to news

coverage."

 

The AP, however, said the proposed regulations would limit its use

of stories and photos after a tournament ended and would give the

LPGA broad rights to use that material for its own purposes at no

charge.

 

"Any stories and photos produced by AP staffers belong to AP,"

Taylor said. "We cannot accept this attempt by the LPGA to put such

severe limits on AP's editorial use of its own work, and we can't

accept any demand that AP provide free use of its material as a

condition for being allowed to cover an event."

 

Dave Tomlin, the AP's assistant general counsel, said the LPGA was

not addressing the issues.

 

"While the LPGA's revised terms don't limit access, they severely

limit our use of our own photos," Tomlin said. "If we ever wanted to

use an AP photo from an LPGA event for anything but illustration of

a news story about that particular event, we'd have to ask for

permission. I'm not aware of any other league that has demanded such

a condition for obtaining credentials. And LPGA's demand for

unlimited free use of our LPGA photos and stories is just as

unprecedented and just as unacceptable. We want to cover LPGA events

but not at this cost."

 

Tomlin said the AP had no objections to limits on commercial use of

its coverage, which all leagues forbid, "but the LPGA credential

still limits our editorial use to illustration of stories about the

event actually depicted in the image."

 

"If a golfer is photographed at the Fields Open, for example, and

two months later is involved in a boating accident or is otherwise

in the news, use of the Fields image to illustrate that subsequent

story would require LPGA permission."

 

AP also would be prohibited from licensing the image to editorial

customers for use in golf-related books or magazines, Tomlin said.

You missed the 1D MarkIIn with 8.5 fps, 8.3 megabyte file size and a 1.3x multiplication factor.

This is the lens for sports with the 30D a decent backup or second body.

Thanks for the concern of my putting all my images on one card. I am doing a lot of HS sports at tournaments & shooting 600-1500 images a day is the norm with some days doing twice that or a bit more. Bigger card still means having a few of them while giving me the biggest file size possible for the images.