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For my photography it probably won' effect me. I tend more and more to return to b&w film photography, but there are interessting approaches in useing AI in photography.

https://lenscratch.com/2021/10/south-korea-week-byun-soonchoel-eternal-family/

14 hours ago, Allen Herbert said:

"you are repeating yourself and you mistake the art market for art. Is it just the American way to value only what makes money. Members.

Indeed, not just the American market all markets. The real reality is those who are in the Business of Art decide what is Art. It is a commercial business not any different from selling cell phones or ice cream. Marketing.!  Huge profits are made in selling established Art.

"innovation is a relatively minor aspect of art and a more recent addition to art definitions" Members

Sometimes Art is forced onto different parameters. Indeed, many of what we call the greats were all about innovation. Banksy, is a classic example of Art, which has been forced the establishment to recognize  his work as Art...you can equally say the same of many of the masters . I say old chap, a graffiti person smearing walls , with paint. Should be locked up. Then, as a rarity, in Art, the public votes. 

Going back to my original post is Art about as much about process as Imagination. Indeed, is the process is equally about the imagine.

Apologies for the endless paragraphs but I am Dyslexic. Think, eveytime you are writing a sentence  ,you are joining 4 rubric cubes together simultaneously

Thanks for the photo, Sam. Enjoyed.

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I was critizised for my assumption of the american ruled market and the critique was right!

But I won't accept your definition of art as defined by the market. I am a regular reader of a german photo magazine that publishes all sorts of approaches to commercial and art photograpghy https://photonews.de/ and although there is a strong bias towards professional photography many of the photos published will probably never find a buyer but influences other photographers. Second most street photography exhibitons I visited the last maybe 10 years showed more colour than b&w. Again I think it's your own perception of a diverse scene.

21 hours ago, samstevens said:

Believe me, there are plenty of Americans who know the difference.

Why the presumption that you’re speaking to an American or that one person’s opinion represents a nationality? 

You’ve made sound rhetorical and aesthetic observations but fumbled on the socio/political field.

Touché. I've gone too far with my assumptions.

Allen, you are repeating yourself and you mistake the art market for art. Is it just the american way to value only what makes money? I hope not. But you are not even providing figures, just your perception of the so called market.

On 2/5/2023 at 9:31 PM, Allen Herbert said:

And yes, their are many successful street who work in colour.. But in the real commercial world, the value of their prints  have little value compared with those who work with  B/W photography and film.

Really, it is about the commercial,, and decides what works or not.

Can you give an example of what you mean by "the real commercial world"?

There certainly is street photography in colour. Look at the amazing work of Helen Levitt, who worked in b&w and in colour, Saul Leiter, Paul Graham and Martin Parr. Meyerowitz has already been named.

Me too thinks he has a totally different approach than HCB, but from todays point of view they might look familiar (both people, b&w, roughly the same time and fashion of clothing), I like both! As for technique, I think Fan Ho used mainly a Rolleiflex.

I always use the Massive Dev app on my cellphone when I process a film. According to the app T-Max 100 in !D-11 is 3mins 30 at 1+3 concentration. Stop for 1 min and fix for 5 mins but that's pretty standard for most films.

 

It should be 13mins not 3 (and at 22 Degr. Celcius!). Just a typo I suppose.

Emperor's new clothes. The pictures won a prestigious prize, but I can't see the "garment", apparently others can. I have no previous experience with or knowledge of the photographer, only this set. To each their own - this set does not impress me.

 

I am amazed to see an admin of a photo site who doesn't know Sally Mann.

Agfa APX 100 definitely and Fuji Neopan 400 (but HP5+ comes close).

Maybe the Contax T, T2 or T3 come close to what you want.

I didn't know that British civilians were already making war preparations (sandbags, gas masks, etc.) before World War II started on September 1, 1939. But a war was strongly rumored at the time, so I guess it makes sense.

 

However, some of those "Land Girls" are flashing V-for-victory hand signs, which I thought weren't popularized by Winston Churchill until after the war started.

 

Although the start of WWII is usually dated on Sept. 1st 1939 you should not forget that Germany occupied Czechoslowakia, Austria and Lithunia in March 1939. That the aggressive foreign policy of Germany would lead into a war was obvious.

Thanks for shareing these interessting photos.

Then again, who needs RAW anymore.

 

When I convert my pictures to b&w I prefer RAW. It gives much more options to adjust contrast and tonality and I save them as png and get more grey tones than with jpgs.

If you browse through the Ostkreuz homepage you will discover many treasures of former east german photographers, like the Hauswalds, Sybille Bergemann, Werner Mahler and many more.

Thanks for the link. For me she was one of the greatest. The quality of her photography after the fall of the wall can easily hold up with her G.D.R. work. I love her Polaroids as well.

 

Here's another link to her agency: Ute Mahler: Ostkreuz

Thanks Paul for your understanding. Makes me feel not alone :-)

Still more aggrevating! I changed my avatar yesterday, came back today just to find my old photo. Changed the "screen name" on the account page with no effect. Still my real name. How can I change the name displayed? The software on this site is a peace of s.... Sorry if I sound rude, but I am really angry about all this. Is this site run by facebook or what?

Thanks for your input. This will be probably the only way to leave. Still disappointing that I didn't get a reply from the moderators or runners of this site. On oher sites you can simply delete your account and your comments stay in the thread but are not conected to your name anymore. So this should be possible on photo.net as well but is not wanted. You can check out any time you like but you can never leave, as the Eagles put it.

I am really annoyed. I used the site for many years, learned much, had many really good conversations. But during the last maybe two years I lost interesst in photography. Still have my camera with me in holidays and on one or the other occasion, but I don't follow discussions anymore. So I thought it was a wise thing for me to delete my account. But I did not find any button to do so. When I choos "contact" from the menu at the bottom of the page, the page is black. From an old thread I found the email adress contact@photo.net, posted my wish there and did not get any reply. Why is not possible to delete my account myself? Please admin, help me.

I find the landscapes beautiful, but the photographic approach pretty conventional. The like I have seen for decades now.

Which camera and lens combination would you use at home and why do youthink you would want something different in Europe? Where in Europe are you going? Sicilly, Portugal, Scotland, Finland, Norway, Russia, Bulgaria, Greece, Germany, France, the alps, the north sea shore, cities, small villages, ...? What concept of Europe do you have? What do you want to photograph?

My advice - travel light and enjoy your trip.

Darktable and sometimes Gimp. I'm a Ubuntu user and these programms do everything I need (and even more), are free and there's much help in the net if I have a problem.

About 6 months ago I came to the conclusion that Adobe was going in a direction I didn't want.

I downloaded and started to learn Darktable. Took my time. Created a table in MS Word with LR actions i frequently use on the left and the DT method for doing the same thing on the right. DT has extensive Help on the web and many youtube videos - both of which helped.

 

If I can do this transition you can do it. No reason to pay a new utility bill for the rest of your life when there is a better alternative out there. Just be systematic in your approach, take your time, learn DT and EPL, and plan your transition as I have done.

 

And don't forget: DT is free!!!