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<p>Just checked UPS site. It will cost $77 to ship monitor to Eizo.</p>

<p>Hi Dag. I've had the monitor less than a week, so I could've returned to the store for refund if I simply didn't like it, so Eizo's accepting a return is no great favor. What they should've done is pay for return shipping because monitor is defective.</p> <p>Companies seem to think short-term these days. Wouldn't it be better to pay $50 shipping and keep a loyal customer? Surely they will make more than that on the 27-inch version I told them I was going to buy to replace the defective 24-inch. Or the store could've paid the return shipping to keep me as a customer.</p> <p>End of rant. Move on, as you say....</p> <p>Thanks for all of your input on this project. Appreciate it.</p>

<p>I spoke too soon. Eizo will not pay return shipping. So I am not happy with them. The store won't pay shipping either. However, I feel it is Eizo's responsibility. I might jump to NEC.</p>

<p>Hi Dag. Thanks for your response.</p> <p>Good point about the edge shadow affecting the maintenance sensor. I hadn't thought of that.</p> <p>I did see some comments in forums online about the DTP94 not being able to handle wide-gamut monitors. But when I emailed Eizo tech support, they said it was supported in Color Navigator 6.4.7 and for CX monitors, and it was one of the choices in the Color Navigator software. But I suppose that doesn't mean it works well. I will probably spring for the i1.</p> <p>Eizo has responded perfectly, said return the monitor. I'm just working things out with the seller because I'm going up to the 27-inch which complicates things a bit. But Eizo and the seller (Motion Media in CA) have been great. I recommend both for their good customer service.</p>

<p>P.S. to Dag: Re the EX2.....of course, I can't know which is accurate, the EX2 or the Optix DP94. But I used the DP94 with my old Eizo, and printed pieces always matched my monitor, so I'm inclined to trust it.</p>

<p>Hi Wouter. Eizo hadn't responded when I posted earlier. But they have responded now, and very nicely, said return the monitor, no problem. (If I want to go to 27-inch, I'll have to go through the seller, however.) I was posting here mainly to get input about the shadow around edges of screen. Didn't know if that was normal or defect. Thanks for your input.<br> <br /><br /></p>

<p>Thanks, Dag.</p> <p>As a side note, because we discussed the EX2 in an earlier thread of mine: I question the accuracy of EX2. I wasn't able to do scientific test, but when I calibrated the CX241 with the EX2, the reds seemed too bright. So then I calibrated with my old Optix DP94 (which was accepted by Color Navigator 6.4.7), and things looked more like I was used to seeing them, when my old CG19 was working properly. The CG19 no good anymore, so I can't do a comparison of colors between monitors. When I get new monitor I'll get w/o the EX2 and use my Optix until I update my OS at which time the Optix won't be supported (and I'll get an i1). I'm also going to go up to the 27-inch monitor to get the higher ppi. Hope changing model of monitor doesn't confuse matters with Eizo. </p>

<p>Hi Keith. Yes, I can imagine Eizo laughing at me about this. In most situations, this little grey spot wouldn't even be noticeable, but when scrutinizing photos.....</p> <p>It's still early enough that I can return the monitor to store simply because I don't like it. </p>

Hi Brooks. The spec is grey. I thought dead pixels are white?

<p>After I submitted my post above, I did quick search on internet and saw lots of images of really bad bleeds....huge, jagged areas, coming from sides. What I have is not like that. It's a very even width all around the edges, not jagged at all. It's visible on white. Photos of backlight bleed were shown on black. </p>

<p>I received an Eizo CX241 monitor last Friday.</p> <p>There is a small dust-like spec in the middle of it. Very tiny, but it will annoy me when I'm working on photos and looking for dust specs in image to touch up. Place where I bought the monitor referred me to Eizo who has to okay the return. I wrote to them earlier today.</p> <p>I also see a bluish shadow around the edges of the screen. Subtle, about 1/8-1/4 inch wide. I seem to remember hearing that IPS monitors have issues around edges? Is what I'm seeing normal or a defect? I sent a P.S. to Eizo about the edge issue. Haven't heard from them yet.</p> <p>Thanks.</p>

<p>In case anyone else in same position: I found out that the X-Rite i1 Display Pro spec that says Mac users must be in OS 10.7 or higher only applies if you are using the X-Rite profiling software. If you are using different software, as I will, you can be in any OS that your software is compatible with. There are no drivers or anything for the i1 that would come into play and restrict OS. I would be using Eizo's Color Navigator, and there is a version that is compatible with my OS 10.6.8.</p>

<p>Has anyone tried Nikon Scan on Apple OS 10.7 ? I have it on OS 10.6.8 and it works fine, even though it wasn't <em>supposed</em> to work in that OS.</p> <p>Now I would like to upgrade to 10.7 so I can use an X-Rite i1 Display Pro which must have 10.7 or later (just ordered an Eizo monitor). I suspect Nikon Scan won't work in OS 10.7, but I thought I'd check since it wasn't supposed to work in 10.6.8, but it did.</p> <p>I tried Vuescan and Silverfast some years ago and didn't care for them. I will stay on 10.6.8 as long as possible or keep another computer with it, if necessary, in order to use Nikon Scan.</p> <p>I got the Eizo EX2 sensor (=Spyder4), which may be fine, but there are some criticisms of Spyders on net. I also have an Optix DP94 sensor but read it might not work well on wide-gamut monitor. These sensor issues slightly off the point......just explaining need for OS 10.7.</p>

<p>Thanks, Dag.<br> I went to Best Buy today, which is only place in my city where I can look at monitors. Didn't have relevant brands or size/resolution combinations, of course, but I could see 24 and 27 inch monitors in real life. Decided 27 would feel too big to me, so I will get the 24. Helps to see something as physical reality :)</p>

<p>Hi Dag. You read my mind. After, my last post, I starting digging around on net about the EX2 sensor (which I mistakenly called by the software name EasyPix in my earlier post). Found what you are saying about them being rebranded Spyder sensors. Interesting that you and your friend find the EX2 to work well. I could also just use my Optix XR until I update my OS, then get the i1. The EX2 isn't a huge investment, though, just $90 when bought with monitor....</p> <p>Here's the last thing: 24 or 27 inch. I like the idea of 109 ppi of the 27 inch for photos, but I'm a little concerned about having to enlarge things with type in order to read them easily. Last night, I did some screen grabs of various things, then viewed in Photoshop as they would appear on the 24 and 27 monitors. My CG19 is 86 ppi, so the 24 inch's 94 ppi would be 91%, the 27 inch's 109 would be 79%. I do see that in Firefox, you can zoom in on a page. And, in InDesign, you can make the page whatever size you want. But there would be things that couldn't be zoomed in on, such as tool bars. Would be nice if I could just try both monitors but there isn't any place where I can do that around here.</p> <p>Anyway.....is that why you have 24 inch monitors? Or is it because you like to work with two at a time and 24 makes more sense for that purpose?</p> <p>I'm probably at the point where I just have to order something and see how I like it and exchange if necessary. But packing something up and hauling to UPS is such a pain....</p> <p>Thanks for your help.</p>

<p>Thanks for the further clarification!</p> <p>After your first post, I went to the B&H site, and the text for the CX241 with EX2 sensor <em>did</em> suggest the sensor only works with EasyPix. No mention of Color Navigator in relation to the EX2. But after your second post, I found this at the Eizo site, which confirms what you said, that it indeed works with Color Navigator (in case anyone wants this confirmation):</p> <p>http://www.eizo.be/products/accessories/software-measuring-devices/EX2.html</p> <p>Thanks again!</p>

<p>Dag: Thank you so much for your input. VERY helpful.</p> <p>Interesting about the NEC/Eizo comparisons and the "Spectraview Reference" line.</p> <p>Thank you for pointing out that the Eizo EX sensor only works with the Easy Pix software. I was thinking it would work with Color Navigator. I use Color Navigator now on my CG19, with an Optix XR (DTP 94). The Optix is rather old, so I thought I would get the Eizo sensor to replace it, and at only $100, it would be cheaper than an i1 or similar device. Good thing you pointed out that it won't work with Color Navigator. That would've been a waste of money.</p> <p>A while ago, before I noticed the EX sensor, I wrote to Eizo about my Optix XR compatibilities, and they said it will work with Navigator 6.4.7 which I can use on the CX241 in my current OS 10.6.8. When I upgrade my OS, I will have to use a newer Color Navigator and the Optix won't work anymore.</p> <p>Thank you also for confirming that the CG and the CX are identical, except for the video functions, hood, and integrated sensor in the CG. That's how it looked from the specs, but hearing from someone who has both CG and CX monitors is very reassuring.</p> <p>So I plan to order the CX (<em>probably</em> the 24-inch), without the EX sensor, use my Optix XR until I upgrade to newer OS.....and be back in business. My CG19 screen is quickly turning purple!</p> <p>Thanks again.</p>

<p>Eric: I don't sniff at $265 :) My point was that the difference in price between NEC and Eizo for similar monitors used to be much more. As I remember, when I got my CG19 for $1500, a similar NEC was about half the price.</p>

<p>I see the NEC PA272W (the one that seems closest to the Eizo CX271 in specs) is about $1200, so $265 less than the Eizo. Not a huge difference. As I remember, the NEC's used to be much less expensive than the comparable Eizo's.</p>

<p>LG: Thanks for your thoughts. A 4K monitor sounds nice, theoretically (I love the resolution on my ipad, for example), but this article in particular scared me off:<br /> http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-4k-monitor-doesnt-exist/</p> <p>Also, I believe Andrew Rodney said in these forums that calibration capabilities for 4K monitors not up to snuff yet for photography.</p> <p>[Later] I see Eizo has one or more 4K monitors, and I suspect those could be calibrated fine, but super-expensive.)</p> <p>Eric Brody: I might reconsider NEC. Thanks.</p>

<p>My 8-year-old Eizo CG19 (19-inch) monitor is dying. Will get another Eizo and am trying to decide between 24 and 27-inch. Most of what I read on net suggests 27-inch. But a few people say they don't like the way the smaller dot pitch and ppi reduces sizes of type (where you can't adjust size with the software).<br> I've been using a 19-inch for so long, a 24-inch will seem spacious. But I wonder if I should go for the smaller dot pitch in the 27-inch for more clarity in photos and just adjust sizes of type in software as necessary? I don't mean change the native resolution of the monitor, just adjust icon sizes, etc. (I'm in OS 10.6.8 on Mac.)</p> <p>Here are the three monitors I'm considering:</p> <p>CX241 with Eizo EasyPix sensor, $1245 -- 94ppi, 0.27 dot pitch<br /><br />CX271 with Eizo EasyPix sensor, $1465 -- 109 ppi, 0.23 dot pitch<br /><br />CG247, $1900 -- 94ppi, 0.27 dot pitch<br /><br />Complete comparisons here:<br> http://www.eizoglobal.com/support/db/comparison?m3=CG247&m5=CX271&m7=CX241</p> <p>I know there are a lot of people in this forum who like NEC monitors, but I have been happy with my Eizo so want to stick with that brand.<br> <br />I am also wondering if I should consider the CG 24-inch over the CX models? I can't see much difference that would affect photography work except that the CG is self-calibrating (doesn't need me to calibrate with a sensor, as I understand it).</p> <p>Thanks.</p>

<p>Bruto, you might find this thread interesting. </p> <p>http://www.photo.net/black-and-white-photo-film-processing-forum/00dQ69</p> <p>It's from when I overexposed Tmax 400 three stops and developed normally. On last page, there are links to some of the images (at flickr).</p> <p>You were using a different film, I realize, but I suspect you will also have good results if film developed normally. I was quite astonished at how well my film turned out.</p>

<p>In case anyone is interested, here are some of the photos from the Tmax 400 film which was overexposed three stops but developed normally. </p> <p>Flickr sharpens photos. To see the image as it was uploaded -- before flickr's sharpening -- click on the photo after you are on its page.</p> <p>http://www.flickr.com/photos/katdalton/20320170353/in/dateposted/</p> <p>http://www.flickr.com/photos/katdalton/20233793074/in/dateposted/</p> <p>http://www.flickr.com/photos/katdalton/20202414513/in/dateposted/</p> <p>http://www.flickr.com/photos/katdalton/20916089252/in/dateposted/</p> <p>http://www.flickr.com/photos/katdalton/20685553659/in/dateposted/</p>

<p>"then you cannot get the same amount of information as in 16 bits b&w"</p> <p>I think it is the reverse: there is more information in RGB than in grayscale. If I convert an RGB image to grayscale, the resulting image is 1/3 the file size. But, whatever....I don't want to get into an argument about technical things :)</p> <p>Lex: Thanks for sharing your experiences with T-Max 400 and FP4. Maybe I will try giving FP4 a little more light next time. Good point that there are many variables.</p> <p>I really love FP4. There's something about it that I really connect with. Maybe it's that classic look. Yet I don't get the same feeling from Tri-X. I've read the new Tri-X is very different than the old; don't know if my reaction is related to that.</p>

<p>Didier: Just fyi, I keep my monochrome images in RGB, don't use grayscale.</p>