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*Economical* fine grain B&W film / developer combo?


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Well, I was looking at some old B&W pictures today, and that got me

to hankering for trying the B&W stuff again after a few months of

laying off. The 4 I tried so far were Tri-X, T-Max, AGFA, and a

Kodak C-41 (which I didn't much care for).<BR>

What I'd like to concentrate on this time is fine grain for landscape

shots, because I'm back in S.E. Alaska. If I get a stunner, I'd like

to blow it up large - at least 16".<BR>

Also, I realize that it's as much the developer as film, so could

anyone recommend a fine grain combo that won't break the bank? I was

thinking maybe Ilford Delta 100 or HP5, not sure which is better.

I'd like to try both 100 and 400 ISO types this time.<BR>

One of these days I'd like to get a dark room together and develop my

own...not sure where to begin, though, because I moved, and plans

fell through to get the enlarger and stuff I was going to get...<BR>

Thanks for any help,<BR>

Jed

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<i>Also, I realize that it's as much the developer as film, so could

anyone recommend a fine grain combo that won't break the bank?</i>

 

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You'd be hard pressed to beat Fuji (Neopan) Acros 100 (or even Neopan

400) in Xtol 1:3. I buy from B&H in packs of 20. Less than $4 per

roll. I develop in a liter tank, so I can do 4 rolls at a time. All

told, I figured at one time that my developing expense for chemicals

is something around 40 cents a time, or 10 cents a roll. A packet of

Xtol that makes 5L of solution is good for 19 batches or 76 rolls for

me when used at this dilution.

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Try Efke 25 and PMK Pyro. It will have to run at asa 12, so figure on a tripod and windless days, but you won't find any grain on the film with this combination. Efke 25 from J&C is a bit over $3.00 a roll. PMK will set you back about $25.00 for a kit that makes upwards of 50L. PMK is mixed each time and thrown away, but if you are mixing for each roll, it will cost about $0.18 per roll for developer.
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I, like Tim, also like Efke, but because it's orthopanchromatic (decreased red sensitivity), it's not my favorite landscape film.

 

How about Agfa APX 100 ($2.09 per roll) and Rodinal? Maybe not the finest grain, but certainly razor sharp grain. For 400 ISO, maybe Tri-X in Rodinal (lots of grain but lots of sharp) or HP5 in HC-110 (less acutance but great highlights).

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If you shoot 35mm, then bulk loading your film will give you the most for your money usually (occasionally there are exceptions, as when B&H sometimes sells import color slide film for less per roll than the USA labeled film of the same type in bulk).

 

Agfa APX 100 is an attractive film that always struck me as surprisingly cheap. Efke 100 is also inexpensive and a nice film.

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Tmax 100 in Xtol is a very fine grained combination, as is Ilford Pan F in Perceptol, or any number of slow film/fine grain developer combos. Of course nothing comes close to the grainlessness of Technical Pan in either Technidol or TD-3, but Tech Pan is among the more expensive films, and Technidol among the more expensive developers.
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One of the most cost effective developers you can use, that is extremely fine

grain and compensating (no blown out highlights and great shadow detail) is

Divided D76. Mixed up yourself or commercially gotten at Photo Formulary, is

a breeze to use. You have Bath A and Bath B. Both have times of about 3

minutes in each bath. Bath B is nothing more than a Borax solution which is

extremely cheap to mix up by the gallon. Temperature isn't really critical but is

is wise to keep everything the same temp. You negs (non t-grained films) will

come out with very easily printable negatives with detail in every tonal range.

Typically, I will mix up a gallon of Bath A and B and have reused them for as

long as 1.5 years!

Another alternative is to use Diafine, there again another 2 bath developer,

with a sharper grain, albeit a fine grain also, and the same compensating

effects as DD76. The difference between the two developers, Diafine gives a

bit more speed but a higher acutance (sharper edges). I have done alot of

tests with Diafine and different films and have not found that it gives as much

speed as stated (35mm, you may get a 1 stop speed increase) but it is superb

as is the DD76.

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Films like tri-x, FP4, APX100/400 spring to mind combined with Rodinal would suit your needs well. Rodinal is not the finest grained developer but it is very crisp which is more important I think.

A 500ml bottle of Rodinal in the UK costs about £6.99 at 1/50 dillition it should do a good few films, more than 100 I would think.

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...i can usually find Fortepan 100, 200 and 400 at my local store for $1.99 a roll...

 

...those in either D-76 1:1 or Rodinal 1:25 give me the results I seek, though I'm usually going for an "antique" sort of look that such older soups seem to give...

 

...might just be my methods though, hard to say...

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Thanks everyone for the help!

I think I've settled on starting with AGFA APX-100, mostly for the cost and sharpness. Are any of the developers you all suggested a powder form? I'm thinking it would save on shipping... if not, I'll just order the liquid form.

 

Trying to decide between Rodinol and D76, unless something else would be easier. Which would be easiest and best for the APX-100? (this is my first time since high school doing this.) A friend said she'd loan me her dark room equipment she doesn't use anymore, so I could get started this week...just need to know which developer to order.

Thanks again so much,

Jed

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Thanks - will the Acutol have as fine of grain or sharpness? I really should use something pretty simple for the first go here...

I almost forgot - can I use any stop bath or fixer? Or are there certain ones to use with certain developers? (When I was in school, the instructor did all that deciding for us.) :-)

I appreciate it!

Jed

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Jedidiah Smith , feb 03, 2004; 07:43 p.m.

"Thanks - will the Acutol have as fine of grain or sharpness?"

 

Finer grain, better sharpness, and more speed than Rodinal. There is no comparison.

 

"I really should use something pretty simple for the first go here..."

 

Just dilute with water and go...

 

"I almost forgot - can I use any stop bath or fixer? Or are there certain ones to use with certain developers?"

 

No, any stop bath will work just fine. You need not worry. I would strongly recommend rapid fixer, not powder fixer, though.

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