richard_ilomaki Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 Hello I was recently waiting for a plane and chatting with a violinist on his way to Germany to play at a concert, when another guy came along with a violin case. They were not travelling together and did not know one another. They immediately started talking about their respective violins and the cases. Boy, did that sound familiar. Not a word about the concerts or the music, but only the gear. WHEW!!! I feel very sane. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h._p. Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 I hear Brian's starting a new forum called 'Musical Instruments' real soon now... :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_fleetwood Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 Yeah, check out any guitar or bass forum, if you think camera nuts are annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_. Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 my girlfriend's father is a well known musician in cincinnati sympany and i can testify this is true, given the fact he is also a instrument maker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuan_hoang1 Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 That's interesting! When engineers get together, they talk about stock and when doctors get together, they discuss about the cases!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Smith Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 "check out any guitar or bass forum" Right: as a guitar player, I agree. Most talk, very few seem to actually play the damn things. Robin Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Williams Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 On a slightly different tack, a recent TV programme on UK history featured a neolithic jadeite axe that (the archaeologists concluded) would have been far too expensive for actual use. Rather, such objects would probably have been prized as status symbols. According to another source (www.jerseyheritagetrust.org) "Some people believe that such axes were initially practical tools that repeatedly changed hands; were re-polished, re-used and only gradually became ceremonial." The programme did not speculate on whether these objects were fondled by their owners, or whether they were produced in limited numbers to commemorate royal weddings, bridge building, or successful mammoth hunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob haight Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 Well, I really want to take about garden tools.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivier_reichenbach Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 Okay, let's make our coming out, everybody. Who is a fondler, a gear lover? I AM! I love cameras. I think they're things of beauty, They are sensual marvels of technology. I do have a passionate relationship with my bodies (pun intended.) They have to appeal to both my eyes and my hands. So, I have several cameras, all giving wonderful results (I am the lousy one in the relationship): Leica M, of course, but also Olympus OM2n (the Leica M of SLRs), Nikon F3 (maybe my favorite of them all), Nikkormat (swinging meter needle and all), Contax RX (what a sweetheart, this one!) I also have two «beasts» in the form of a Nikon F5 and - I confess - a Nikon D1X, that I love for their sheer weight and solidity, and with a level of technical sophistication that's hard to beat. Now, if I could just do them all justice as a photographer. There. I've lifted it off my chest. Your turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad_hahn Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 My dad is a banjo player. His favorite activity is to play his banjo and surf eBay, looking at and bidding on banjos. That seems to be the one big difference between talking about musical instruments and cameras. One can play an instrument while talking about it online. That's hard to do with a camera, unless you want many pictures of your computer area (which I have). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry_ting2 Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 I'm into cycling and every outing with the local cycling club inevitably ends with conversations around our bikes. I still prefer my steel bikes for the ride and nostalgic senses. However, there are members with their exotic titanium bikes dressed up with all the lightweight components that comes to a featherly weight of around 17 pounds. Now once you get to that weight, lightening every additional ounce will cost you hundreds. How's that for paying for diminishing return -- literally speaking, the more you pay, the less you get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen_w. Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 Henry, I'm into biking as well. I find it costs about $1 for every gram lightened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno_menilli Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 Richard You see - we're all human after all! Thanks for the story. All it takes is someone to start bad mouthing about wankers/fondlers, followed by all the lemmings repeating the same and we all end up with a guilt complex. What's wrong with appreciating a finely made object? What someone does with their own money is their business, and just because I like using my cameras doesn't give me or anyone else the right to try and moralise over another person likeing just to look and touch. I wonder if Leica would still be in business if it wasn't for such fans. Regards Bruno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin m. Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 "I still prefer my steel bikes for the ride and nostalgic senses." <p> I agree, but there's nothing 'nostalgic' about a well-made Chrome-Moly steel frame. They have a liveliness and response that can't be matched by carbon fiber, aluminum or titanium. But a nicely welded, hardtail Cro-Mo bike looks pretty drab on the showroom floor next to a full suspension, epoxy-bonded mountain bike with a single-sided swingarm and disc brakes. Whether the buyer will actually make <i>use</i> of those features is irrelevant, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin m. Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 "I still prefer my steel bikes for the ride and nostalgic senses."<p>I agree, but there's nothing 'nostalgic' about a well-made Chrome-Moly steel frame. They have a liveliness and response that can't be matched by carbon fiber, aluminum or titanium. But a nicely welded, hardtail Cro-Mo bike looks pretty drab on the showroom floor next to a full suspension, epoxy-bonded mountain bike with a single-sided swingarm and disc brakes. Whether the buyer will actually make <i>use</i> of those features is irrelevant, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albert knapp md Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 "when doctors get together, they talk about cases." This used to be true but now they usually ruminate about the state of healthcare and the HMOs. I miss the old days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack_lo_..._t_o Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 It's definitely a guy thing though. Can't imagine two or three women photographers, cyclists, violinists, etc., talking gear. Any evidence to the contrary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry_ting2 Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 "I'm into biking as well. I find it costs about $1 for every gram lightened." No way Steve. I'm referring to once you get your bike down to around 19 pounds, try lessening a few ounces more and see what kind of money you have to throw away. The weight lessening has to do with the cumulative weight of all parts. In other words, you have to swap ALL YOUR PARTS just to save a few ounces. For example Lance Armstrong's time-trail bike custom made by Trek weighs only 14 pounds and you can't buy it even if you have the dough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic_. Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 I've seen a lot of fat bikers wearing expensive gear and riding super expensive European bikes. It would be cheaper if they lost some weight around their waists instead of buying more expensive bikes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry_ting2 Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 "I've seen a lot of fat bikers wearing expensive gear and riding super expensive European bikes. It would be cheaper if they lost some weight around their waists instead of buying more expensive bikes!" Same descriptive applies to Leica owners. Money spent on all those Leica gears would serve us better if we use it instead on some photography 101 classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen_w. Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 Vic, It's about unsprung weight: a 300lb rider on a 17lb bike will outperform a 167lb rider on a 150lb bike. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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