Allen Herbert Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 I will never understand why some photographers want to be a clone of someone else. Do your own thing, for better or worse, escape from someone else�s cage.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 For....<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic_. Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 <I>"For what its worth, I'm with Bender. I don't understand much of what he's saying, but nonetheless, I agree." -- Victor Cruz</I><P>Me too. A lot of talk on both sides of Winogrand (Bender and anti-Bender factions) feels like eavesdropping on a bunch of wine connoisseurs, or pseudo wine connoisseurs. Kinda like Leicaphiles actually, discussing bokeh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 I don't understand much of what he's saying, But i agree, with the the bloke in a time warp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Creative..not the same old story.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Of coure Michael may be right, he follows the party line, featured photo, the dog with blue eyes. Best keep to the trady stuff, dare you you post anything different. Just a thought...yes, a like the dog with blue eyes, but there is other stuff as well...give them a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_. Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 ummmm....errrr....nice pic allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Thought you would agree,maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Well, i run out of my stuff, so, i thought i would bring on the sub............;) Hey, all in good fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_clark Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 I've been away and missed all the fun. Cecil Vyse and Casaubon do come to mind, however both were too successfully controlling, even if undermined in the end. Some of Michael's assertions remind me more of one or two of my ex-undergraduate students, who would delight in browbeating the wiser and quieter of their peers with their newly discovered rubrics. Replete and full with the high promise of Modernism's sense of its own universalism and infallibility, they would take it as a revealed truth and strut before the mirror in their minds, oblivious to their own foolishness. The best antidote was always to let the affliction pass and not worry too much if it didn't. It is not the peudo-intellectualism or the half-hearted stab at understanding formal aesthetics that is troubling, but the rudeness to those he does not know but could learn from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_bender Posted November 7, 2003 Author Share Posted November 7, 2003 Well, Herbert found an ingenious way to sabotage discussion by posting over megabyte of absolutely unconnected trash images. Congrats.<br>And then Clark came with a display of homegrown wisdom. Well, Clark, as many others you obviously cannot tackle the issue (of Winogrand's artistry or lack of it) by either discussing it in terms of understanding I offered, or by supply any coherent understanding of your own - and so your opposition is relegated to striking poses and attitudes.<br>Anyone can claim anything, clark, but without a clear statement of yourown interpretation, reasoning and logically formulated support of it a mere claim to an attitude of a man who knows better remains a bluff that can fool only a community of tapeworm brains - which is your intended audience after all is.<br>Crude and primitive bluffer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtodrick Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 Bender...reread Robert Clarks' thread carefully. Then reread yours. You come of sounding like a pompous idiot my friend...get over yourself...other than in your own mind you ain't that bright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesrani Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 "tapeworm brains" - LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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