johnmarkpainter Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 This is Delta 3200 shot at 1600 developed in Rodinal 1+25. Certainly not appropriate for EVERYTHING, but a trick I will use again. jmp<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beau 1664876222 Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 Looks more like instant divinity school to me... I like delta 3200 in Rodinal too; with that film there's gonna be grain so you're better off flaunting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfgang_gressmann Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 could you be so kind to post a detail, where the grain is visible? Scan resolution? Thx a lot in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug_bennett Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 I'm with ya, John. <a href="http://www.photo.net/photo/1344478&size=lg">This shot</a> is Delta 3200 in Rodinal 1:50. <p> That elusive "luminosity" is one of the things we all pursue. The highlights never seem to block up with this combination, and the prints really glow. BTW, John, I like this shot, and I really like the head shot using Tri-X/Rodinal. If you're ever down Huntsville way, we oughta burn some film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmarkpainter Posted November 12, 2003 Author Share Posted November 12, 2003 Wolfgang, It never occured to me that the Grain wouldn't be that obvious from that little scan as it is VERY obvious on the original print (I am scanning from a Print). I usually scan at 300 dpi and do basic level correction. Then I resize the image to 500 pixels wide and "Save for Web" from Photoshop to get the image down to 100k. Here is a detail scan where you can really see the grain. jmp<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmarkpainter Posted November 12, 2003 Author Share Posted November 12, 2003 Doug, Nice shot....I love the viewer comments explaining how if you simply would use a smaller aperture, then you would have more Depth of Field :) some people.... I have been in Huntsville a lot (though not lately). I used to play at the Tip Top Cafe, Crossroads and also at 5 points Music Hall in Birmingham. At my 'day job' I am a musician. Have you tried Delta 3200 in HC-100? I haven't done it myself, but I have seen it and it looks REALLY good. A lot more "Solid" and much less grainy than in Rodinal. jmp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_eaton Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 Art School? More like...overly enlarged Kodak disc film with a loose diopter in the printing turret. Call me a skeptic, but Delta 3200 may have the mushiest and poorly defined grain structure of any film in existence. I swear that Konica 3200 was sharper along with Kodak Royal-X. If you want lots of grain, and *sharp* well defined grain (not this soggy oatmeal crap), try TMZ 3200 and Rodinal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_akiyoshi Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 I sometimes like Delta 3200's mushy grain -- it gives kind of a liquid quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug_bennett Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 Yeah, Scott, whatever. All I know is: people who view my work are invariably drawn to the ultra-grainy ones. But they're probably just not very smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustys pics Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 In grad school, someone once said: "Grain is the brushstroke of photography." Sounded good enough to repeat, and since we've got a mini Delta 3200 forum going on, I'll post one too. I developed it in Ilford DD-X developer, and it's NOT a Photoshop composite.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oskar_ojala Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 An interesting thread...I can well see the point in John's original posting, as well as Scott's criticism. I'm about to try TMZ in Rodinal as soon as it gets darker here and I usually develop my Delta3200 in DD-X. Scott, I must agree with the technical aspects of your assessment, but I think that the mushy grain works for some types of images, eg. skin can sometimes get a nice look of this. Most of the time, though, I like my grain sharp and small, but that doesn't mean I'm confined to one look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustys pics Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 Good point, and a more succinct version of what I was trying to say. No painter would limit himself to a single "best" brush. In photography, we tend to get sidetracked to a "Big grain is bad, small grain is good" or whatever frame of mind. It's important to control the process, and then use it express something once you have it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmarkpainter Posted November 13, 2003 Author Share Posted November 13, 2003 Or maybe it's just too much caffeine...whatever. If you were to see the print in person, you would see that it is actually distractingly sharp, yet very grainy with loads 'o tone. It is CERTAINLY an effect and should be treated as such....as I said "not apropriate for everything. jmp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james___ Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 JMP, have you used Dektol print developer on your negs? Sharper and even more grain. I use it for some scenes that have a lot of contrast. And over frame the scene. Then recrop in the darkroom and print with much higher contrast too. Really sharp grain but still that soft pallet. Try it. I like the image too. Very nicely done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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