anders_nilsson2 Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 Right, I´m looking for the ultimate process to get very grainy copies. I´m usally using Tri-X and D-76 and Ilford MG´s or Berrger Prestige papers. That didn´t do the trick, so I thought I´d try out some of Agfa´s Rodinal. Might this be the sollution. If so (or if I´m completely wrong), please enlighten me, how to do to get very grainy (Times, agitation and whatelses)???!!! This might be a topic debated before, but I found no satisfying answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen hazelton Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 Using Tmax 3200 at EI 3200 or 6400 developed in D76 gave me some huge grain- clearly visible in 5x7's. Increasing print contrast makes it much more noticable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen_benskin Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 TMZ in warm Rodinal works well, but the largest grain technique I've seen is D-19a which uses D-19 with a foggant additive. The additive is hydrazine dihydroclodride if I remember correctly. I'm sure the actual formula can be found out there somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimvanson Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 Have you considered reticulation. Reticulation is the cracking and/or warping of the film emulsion due to a change in temperatures during development...(got that from here;<p> http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cache:7RdFWYd2mf8C:www.sunspotphoto.com/ssp/alternative/reticulation.html+reticulation&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8<p>I used APX 400 @ 250 in an 85 degree 1 + 100 solution of Rodinal for 10 minutes. I poured out that solution and right away poured in a ice water rinse, poured that out, poured in a second ice water rinse which I agitated for 1 minute. I repeated the 100 degree rinse a third time. Since I used three rinses I did not require stop bath. I poured out the water and poured in rapid fix that I had stored in the freezer long enough that it was starting to get thick. It was about 30 degrees. I agitated the film/fixer for 6 minutes. I opened the container and checked that the film was properly fixed. I washed the film in 100 degree water for 10 minutes then 70 degree water (to harden the emulsion) for 10 more minutes. I had what looked like HUGE grain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg_smith4 Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 Tmax 3200 in Rodinal over developed a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_jones5 Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 Anders-to maximize grain switch to TMZ. If that doesn't get your attention make some controlled overexposures. For mega grain overexpose AND overdevelop while printing on a contrasty paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen hazelton Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 Seems like I've read that developing film in Dektol can be real grainy- I remember a post on that topic a while back, you might look for Dektol/ film info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth_harper Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Is this the kind of grain you want? http://www.photo.net/photo/1318345&size=lg Ilford 3200 at 3200, developed in LC29. Push it to 6400asa and you'll get even bigger grain, or use rodinal and the grain will be golf ball sized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
art_haykin Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Why not try texture screens that come in a wide variety of grain patterns and other textures as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r.m. Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 I developed a couple of rolls of APX400 in Edwal FG-7 and got very grainy results. Here's a sample.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conrad_hoffman Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Pick your favorite grainy process, then back up and blow up. Or just use a bit wider angle lens so you have to crop more. Then it comes down to what process gives you the type of grain you like, not just how much of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_waller Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Expose TMax 3200 at 6400 and dev in Rodinal 1:25 for 50 percent longer than the recommended time at 3200 ASA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed farmer - mount laurel, Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 I have even shot TMZ at 25,000 and processed in TMAX for about 24 minutes. I don't remember the exact time that I used, but Kodak does publish times for this EI. Dektol can be used and will give you large clumpy grain with Tri-X, but you may have to experiment with times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann_clancy3 Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 It will depend on the type of grain pattern you wish. Try TRX in TEC developer. Prints look like etchings. There are a great variety of options, it might be best to test out a few of the above suggestions and then use what is going to give you the look you want for your project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r.m._pruitt Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Develop your film in straight Dektol at around 80-90 degrees with continous agitation for at least 10 minutes. This will give you very pronounced and coarse grain. If you you use Tri-X (or other high speed film) with this method it is even more extreme. It can be very appropiate with certain types of photos such as shots showing speed events or large areas of sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedmartini Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 My personal grainy favorites: T-Max P3200 for somewhat smoother grain... Kodak's HIE and Recording Film for beautiful "golf ball" grain... Michael D. D'Avignon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james___ Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 Conrad has the ultimate grain producer. If you want large but smooth grain, use any 3200 speed film, put it in your camera, over frame (back up) and then develope in warm (not hot) dektol. Or any print developer for that matter. You will absolutely love this process and it's product. The film is inherently grainy to begin with, the print developer makes the silver in the emulsion migrate and clump more than any other developer, and couple that with over framing the subject at a factor equal to the size grain you want, and voila!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.w. Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 How about using a smaller film format, such as 8x11 Minox. The older ones have excellent, 5-element lenses, curved film plane, and will give you nice, grainy enlargements using film of "normal" ISO speeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anders_nilsson2 Posted March 30, 2003 Author Share Posted March 30, 2003 Ok, thank you people for a lot of different answers. Now I know where to start experimenting. Anders Nilsson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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