Z9specs out?

[mike_halliwell]

Okay, I'm a little confused here. My AF-S Nikkor 200-500 mm F/5.6 E works just fine with the FTZ. What am I missing?

The context I quoted from was Shun saying Canon have a simple and small electronic only (ie non mechanical) adapter...

 

It is very easy to integrate old Canon EF lenses onto the R5 via a simple adapter, which is merely an extension tube with some electronics, but none of the bulky aperture motor in the FTZ.

 

...and I said Nikon could do the same.....;)

 

The FTZ, in it's current form, is massively complicated by having mechanics to move the aperture of non E type lenses, An E only version should be much cheaper (!), smaller and lighter. It also removes a potential mechanical weakpoint and a possible cause of aperture variation.

 

so there are not that many E lenses in use.

Really? Although i guess the number of people with ONLY E lenses is small.

 

You meant those antique ancient E lenses?

No, as BeBu said, E Type lenses, not E Series lenses.

[ShunCheung]

The Canon EF (EOS SLR) to RF (full 35mm frame mirrorless) adapter is just an extension tube, plus some electronics inside for any protocol conversion, if necessary. Nikon's FTZ is a lot more complex with a motor to mechanically control the aperture; thus the FTZ has a bulky "tripod mount" to hide the motor. That is the price Nikon and a lot of their customers are paying for the backward compatibility all the way to ancient lenses manufactured 60 years ago.

 

The FTZ also has a fuse inside. Once I mounted an older AF-S lens the 28-70mm/f2.8 from around year 2000 on it, and the lens immediately fried the fuse. I had to send that FTZ back to Nikon for repair (at least it was still under warranty at the time). Nowadays I keep two FTZ adapters so that I have a spare. I also don't mount any old AF-S lenses on it any more, especially those from the era when they still had an aperture ring.

 

I would welcome a simpler FTZ that only works with F-mount E and AF-P lenses, but its market is probably limited.

[conrad_hoffman]

This FTZ stuff is OT from the Z9, a camera I'll never be able to afford anyway. It seems like there has to be more than one camera as the flagship. The sports people need a flagship. The landscape people need a flagship. The BIF people need a flagship, though I don't know much about how different the requirements are from sports. The PJs need a flagship. We sort of have all that in the current dSLR lineup, but it's too soon to get there with mirrorless, given the world situation. As long as the Z lineup is limited, no matter what Nikon does, there will be various groups complaining about all its shortcomings.

[mike_halliwell]

If the Z9 is 45MP AND has a version of pixel shift, it should keep most people happy.

[Nick D.]

If the Z9 is 45MP AND has a version of pixel shift, it should keep most people happy.

"45MP and pixel shift" just asking for tripod to put those pixels in good use, and also a bit too much for video.

So, what is the point of switching to mirrorless? To spend extra money?

[mike_halliwell]

45MP is pretty much 8K, which I suspect will plateau the demand for hi res video.

 

Main benefit of mirrorless is a truly silent shutter and an effortless high frame rate that doesn't scare neighbouring countries.

[Nick D.]

45MP is pretty much 8K, which I suspect will plateau the demand for hi res video.

 

Main benefit of mirrorless is a truly silent shutter and an effortless high frame rate that doesn't scare neighbouring countries.

If I want pro-video, I would use pro-video camera, its easier.

I don't think people will be buying whole new system for silent shutter and high frame rates.

[mike_halliwell]

I don't think people will be buying whole new system for silent shutter and high frame rates.

Lets just say ALL of the major manufacturers disagree with you.

 

They are not gambling, it's the future.

 

Not that it makes any of the current DSLR tech obsolete, far from it.

 

Co-incidentally, Nikon Z series lenses are notably better than their previous F mount ones, but that's not directly connected with Mirrored or Mirrorless.

[BeBu Lamar]

If I want pro-video, I would use pro-video camera, its easier.

I don't think people will be buying whole new system for silent shutter and high frame rates.

Now I like loud shutter sound but I do like electronic shutter as mechanical shutter isn't very accurate.

[mike_halliwell]

Now I like loud shutter sound

I gotta say I like the sound of my Z6ii on Hi+, it's pretty quiet but kinda like Bond's nail gun in Casino Royale....:)

[Nick D.]

They are not gambling, it's the future.

If camera companies could see the future, Nikon in particular, they would be loosing money. :)

[BeBu Lamar]

I gotta say I like the sound of my Z6ii on Hi+, it's pretty quiet but kinda like Bond's nail gun in Casino Royale....:)

As I said I like loud shutter sound but I would switch camera system for a system with only silent shutter because I like purely electronic shutter for its accuracy.

[ilkka_nissila]

Electronically controlled mechanical shutters are highly reproducible and accurate except at their fastest speeds, this is the first time I read a complaint about their accuracy. Could you explain what your problem is and an application example?

[BeBu Lamar]

Electronically controlled mechanical shutters are highly reproducible and accurate except at their fastest speeds, this is the first time I read a complaint about their accuracy. Could you explain what your problem is and an application example?

I prefer shutter speed accuracy of better than 1/10 stop (which is a big 7% or so) but few electronically controlled mechanical shutter can do that even in normal speed like 1/125 or 1/250. At 1/4000 they are off by 1/2 stop often.

[ilkka_nissila]

I prefer shutter speed accuracy of better than 1/10 stop (which is a big 7% or so) but few electronically controlled mechanical shutter can do that even in normal speed like 1/125 or 1/250. At 1/4000 they are off by 1/2 stop often.

 

How did you measure it, and did you do the measurement with a lens? If there was a lens used, how did you ensure the variability is not from the aperture?

 

The variability in exposure times from a focal-plane shutter is likely to be a fraction of the shortest time available (typically 1/8000s). If you get larger variability than that, then my guess it is coming from either the lighting or the aperture.

Edited August 6, 2021 by ilkka_nissila