Jump to content

Shooting framed award, reflections


Recommended Posts

Hi, looking for some help. I am trying to photograph a framed award. The medal (like an Olympic medal) is set against black felt or

something black. There is highly reflective glass in front and it's all in a box so there's depth. But the big issue is the glass. And the black

backing makes it worse. I've taken many photos and there are just tons of reflections everywhere. Even when I thought I had it, I saw the

tripod legs reflected. I tried making the room totally dark with super long shutter speed. Nope. The trouble is if there's enough light for a

photo there's enough light for reflections, even the camera. It has to be straight on, not at angle. And I can't take glass out. Thank you. I

also tried polarizer. No improvement.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

<p>Shoot from farther away, using a longer focal length, so that the family of angles involved in the reflections are much narrower. <br /><br />Do you have control over the environment, or can you move the frame, or move flags/scrims around to control the light sources you see in the reflections?<br /><br />And remember that you <em>can</em> shoot from ever so slightly off-center, and can easily correct the perpective/keystoning distortion after the fact in post production.</p>
Link to comment
Share on other sites

<p>Use a long lens, and set up a black target (e.g. black foam core) right beside your camera. With plenty of light on your camera and target, tilt the frame very slightly, so that you see the black target reflected in the glass from the viewpoint of the camera. It will only take a very slight tilt. Then rearrange your lighting and shoot. As much as possible, the medal should be illuminated from the sides, and you should minimize light falling on the black target. Also, you should avoid the use of fluorescent light. Fluorescent = evil for at least a few reasons.</p>
Link to comment
Share on other sites

<p>I've shot something much worse: a violin. A framed picture has one flat surface, but a violin isn't flat, is shiny, and is vulnerable to light coming from ANY direction. It just seemed like an impossible task. However, I was able to do it with strobes by turning them away and bouncing off of walls. Everything just has to be very diffused.</p>
Link to comment
Share on other sites

<p>The solution is simple though perhaps hard to implement ... organise a no light or blackness from where the reflections are coming from. So the camera sees darkness rather than lightness.<br>

It CAN be at an angle if you have the controls to correct this in your editor.<br>

Hide the tripod legs with black cloth like the Victorians hid table legs.</p>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

How deep is the frame? There is a trick used to photograph thingies like mirrors 'head on' without seeing the camera's reflection. It involves a camera with movement. You set it up to one side of the subject, with both lens and film planes parallel to it so the geometry of the mirror/subject remains 'squared' as if shot head on, and then shift the front or back until the subject is framed the way you want it to.<br><br>Perspective then of course still is that of a position to one side of the subject. That means that what you see reflected in the subject is not the space where you and your camera are, but a space on the other side of the subject. You can hang a large piece of black velvet there.<br>It however also means that if the subject has a depth that is relatively large compared to the lens to subject distance, you get to see that you are not directly in front of the subject. Despite taking the picture from onse side of the subject, there may not be any converging horizontals thanks to the film plane being parallel, but you ar still looking at it from one side, so also at the right side of a frame. But if the depth of the frame is not that great, you will not notice.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

<p>Wow, so many great answers! Thank you very much. All of these suggestions sound promising. I am going to tackle this again this week after Christmas and give a couple of these ideas a try. <br>

Sarah, I know fluorescents are bad :-( but I am stuck with them at the moment. I will turn them off and maybe take the black screens from my windows for some natural light even though it's uneven as it's from only one side. <br>

QG, The depth is about 1.5 inches. <br>

John, Thank you on the book suggestion. Guess what? I am reading it right now. I just got it a few days ago and am on Chapter 3 or 4. I'll look ahead to see if it covers something like this since you suggested it here. <br>

Happy New Year. </p>

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

<blockquote>

<p>I will turn them off and maybe take the black screens from my windows for some natural light even though it's uneven as it's from only one side.</p>

</blockquote>

<p>Add light from the other side with a reflector. If you don't have one, go to an auto parts store, and buy a silvery sun shade -- the type that is unfolded and placed in the windshield. Get the compact kind that has a wire frame and coils up into a little disc. It's a very handy thing to carry with you anyway -- doubles for an ad-hoc reflector AND a dandy gizmo to keep your car interior cool and in great shape! ;-)</p>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Sarah L,<BR>

 

You are going the wrong way. You don't want to open the windows to lighten the entire room, and hence have more things lit up to reflect, you want to darker the room and the objects in it. <P>

 

I have long since sold or given away most of my lighting equipment. My wife had some collages consisting of glossy snapshot photos framed under glass. She wanted photos taken of them so she could have poster prints made. <P>

 

They were on walls in a small bedroom. I covered the wide window with a dark blanket. I placed two table lamps with lampshades on either side of a collage. I placed dark towels on the backs of the lampshades so the light would only shine forward onto the collage not back into the room onto me, the back wall, tripod, etc. The bulbs in the lamps were of a "daylight" so the auto white balance did a good job. There were no other lights turned on in the room. My only difficulty was carefully adjusting the camera and tripod so the collages were perfectly square in the frame. <P>

 

Glossy prints under glass but the prints and glass didn't "see" anything to reflect.<P>

 

<center><img src="http://jdainis.com/poster2a.jpg"></center>

James G. Dainis
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 2 weeks later...
<p>Update: Thanks again for all your suggestions. I ended up following Louis Meluso's suggestion and got a black cardboard poster board and cut a hole in it and stuck the camera lens thru that and voila! It worked like a charm. I also turned off the fluorescents and used just the modeling lamp on my studio strobe (with large soft box) for light. And way to the side. 90 degrees. The only reflection I got was the rough white cardboard hole where I'd cut out the hole, the white perimeter from the interior of the poster board. So I got a black Sharpie pen and filled it in black to match the poster board and then that eliminated that reflection, although I could've zapped it in Photoshop too. </p>
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
×
×
  • Create New...