l_j_cappleman Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 <p>Recently I have been doing some photography of petroglyphs (images pecked into rock faces) and am having difficulty getting some of the more faint images to come out. Has anyone used any special technique to get this kind of image to stand out. I don't think I have to say this but going over the images with chalk is not an option-it is a hanging offense. Attached is a picture of what I am talking about. The Indian is life size </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCL Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 <p>There's no attached image. My limited experience years ago was that lighting was crucial, depending on the orientation....early morning or late afternoon. The reason is that you want shadow detail to contrast outlines with the lighter portions. Sometimes not shooting straight on, but from a side can accomplish this. For me it wasn't terribly different from photographing old tombstones.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l_j_cappleman Posted August 22, 2010 Author Share Posted August 22, 2010 <p>There is no picture because I am having problems gettin the picture reduced to a size accepted by Photonet</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l_j_cappleman Posted August 22, 2010 Author Share Posted August 22, 2010 <p>I hope this works to get the picture accepted</p><div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCL Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 <p>I'm not sure how deep the petroglyph is incised, but side lighting would certainly help.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_davis7 Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 <p>Increase local contrast by boosting Clarity in PS RAW.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_bryant1 Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 <p>I would think working on it in post-processing is where you're going to get the best results. See a quick-and-dirty edit attached. For best results when increasing contrast in post, shoot RAW rather than JPEG.</p> <p>Also, can you get the camera higher so you're looking at the image dead on?</p><div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curt wiler Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 <p>Using a polarizing filter almost always helps reduce the shine on these smooth rock walls. And frankly I find conversion to black and white usually gives a much more dramatic image.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curt wiler Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 <p>For example, near Moab, Utah with a polarizer .....</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curt wiler Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 <p>(duplicate entry)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curt wiler Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 <p>Try this again ..</p><div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zml Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 <p>Pola filter might sometimes help (just use a neutral one, not of a "warming" variety) but above all get a few large foldable reflectors (neutral white, silver), for instance Lastolite, to direct or equalize light (large surfaces are often unevenly lighted.) You may also try sensible HDR processing.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobatkins Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 <p>You might increase contrast by waiting for rain and shooting with a polarizer.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_a5 Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 <p>There is generally quite a bit of glare on these walls when they are in more open areas and using a polarizer can certainly help. I have shot most of mine with b/w film over the years and various color filters--often a cyan/blue--which deepens the reds/yellows of the desert varnish--sometimes the light areas are very yellow and cyan will work better as the more blue filters will darken the yellows too much.</p> <p>With modern digital cameras, the polarizer can help at times, but so can some post work with something like selective color in PS to darken the reds and oranges and lighten the lighter areas--combine this with the selective use of other post tools to get to the contrast and saturation that works for you.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathangardner Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 <p>You may try HDR. Take 3 or more images exposing for the darkest parts of the image and the lightest parts and at least one in between. Merge them with HDR software like Photomatix and it may help bring out the detail.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Ingold Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 <p>Rocks have a surprising amount of specular reflection. A polarizer and a tripod would be the best tools. Dynamic range is not a issue, so HDR would not help. There's no relief of note - these figures are simply scribed through the desert varnish.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Ingold Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 <p>[deleted duplicte post]</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_wagner1 Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 <p>You need side lighting, at such an angle that the rock face is illuminated and the excavated lines are in deep shadow.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_mann1 Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 <p>You may want to try the techniques used by this guy: http://www.impactoptics.com/ . He can bring out things from rocks that no one else can see, and he has even posted a few times on photo.net.</p> <p>:-)</p> <p>Tom</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_harvey3 Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 <p>L J, when I was in Moab, UT in April I saw a TV presentation on the local Canyonlands channel, and a few days attended one of his (Bud Turner's) talks in town at the visitor center. Interesting combination of techniques, and it seems to work well. Watch this:<br> http://www.cnha.org/discoverypool.cfm?mode=detail&id=1268176243671</p> <p>Regards,<br> TH</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_taylor5 Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 <p>I shot a few pictures of rock art stumbling around in Arizona. Here is the rules I follow.<br> 1. Don't do anything to the object other than splash some water on it. No chalk, not rubbings! Anything like that hurts the art. Same for grave stones. Don't do it.<br> 2. Shoot at the golden hour even a little shadow brings out detail<br> 3. Bracket like crazy<br> 4. Be respectful of property owners rights ask permission first, especially if you are on an Indian Reservation. The tribe can take your equipment and you can't do anything about it if you piss them off, even accidentally. <br> It is not widely known that some rock art is being created today by First People, it is religious in nature and should be bypassed, which is the reason why you need to ask first if you are on a reservation, they will tell you where not to go or to not go at all. Heed what you are told.<br> You can practice for rock art by shooting grave stones and brick walls. <br> Good luck lots of fun and some amazing art.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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