dogbert Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 <p>I was looking last night at two National Geographic photo books "Wide Angle" and "Through the Lens". The are hand selected collections by National Geographic of what they consider to be their best photography over around 100 years.<br> I was amazed at how many of them weren't particularly sharp, often not perfectly composed (eg people half out of frame), colours were sometimes off, lacking velvia like saturation, plenty of grain, etc, etc. Yet the photos had real impact. They captured the world and life as it is, the good and the bad in a very organic way.<br> I can't help thinking the quest for sharpness, digital, and computer processing are creating a sameness to all the photography these days. One only has to look at the photos on the photonet banner to see that the only displayed sunsets will be blood red, all models have blemish free porcelain skin, and all colour are hypercolour.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brookref Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 <p>"I can't help thinking the quest for sharpness, digital, and computer processing are creating a sameness to all the photography these days. One only has to look at the photos on the photonet banner to see that the only displayed sunsets will be blood red, all models have blemish free porcelain skin, and all colour are hypercolour."</p> <p>This.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradleygibson Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 <p>I assume you are referring to lenses in current production.<br> BTW, you're going to end up with a list of Canon's supertele's if you only look at "sharpness" as your criteria. In order:<br> 1. 200mm f/2L IS USM<br> 2. 300mm f/2.8L IS USM<br> 3. 400mm f/2.8L IS USM<br> 4. 500mm f/2.8L IS USM<br> 5. 600mm f/4L IS USM<br> 6. 800mm f/5.6L IS USM<br> Some of the lenses people are listing (like the 85/1.2 and 100 macro, the 135/2, etc) are all fantastic lenses but aren't anywhere near the above in terms of LP/mm.<br> I second Dan's comment on http://thedigitalpicture.com. Great reviews and comparable images from just about every lens Canon has. You'll be able to verify the above list yourself.<br> Another great resource is http://slrgear.com.<br> -Brad</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradleygibson Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 <p>Richard,<br> I took a look and at this moment the photo.net banner was showing pictures including:<br> http://www.photo.net/photo/10156063<br> and<br> http://www.photo.net/photo/6817836<br> Along with a porcelain skin shot and some sunets. I still think there is variety (actually I think there is more now that photography is much more mainstream). I think if you look at popular photography forums of yesteryear (not NatGeo's hand-picked selection from the last century), you'll find similar levels of repetition as well.<br> -Brad</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macmoss Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 <p>In practice, 'used properly' as people have repeated above, really does describe satisfaction with lenses a lot. The context, eye, mind, experience, and inspiration of the photographer are fundamental.<br /><br />I have found that the 'L' designation does not guarantee the quality of a lens. At the same time, it does always go with a price premium, so it is frustrating when you get one that doesn't satisfy. Some of my favorite lenses are 'L' lenses, especially in the zoom range. I have a 24mm and the 100m f2.8 macro, which is mentioned a number of times above, as well as the 24-70mm 'L' lens.<br /><br />'Used properly' those lenses are all great, but the 24-70mm is so darned good that it is tempting, especially in the studio, to just pick it up and go, even if it might not be quite as good in all areas of images at all f-stops and zoom ranges.<br /><br />The Canon TS-E 90mm f/2.8 I had was terrible. Then I looked around and found that sample images were also terrible, including the ones Canon put out. The concept just doesn't make sense, especially if what you are doing is trying to compete with what view cameras do. For optimal results, learn and implement Scheimpflug's Rule with a view camera, instead of using a lens with interior elements that swivel. I think the only reason TS-E lenses exist is because they are good enough for 'professional' work, which is often much more undemanding than one would think. Another approach that works better than going to a TS-E is to shoot multiple frames, each focused at a different distance, and then use CS4 to stack and merge them- it's a cool feature.<br /><br />In wide angle primes, I have found that the 24mm beats the 20mm and the 28mm. And the 35mm 1.4 (mentioned above) is a VERY sweet lens. And again the older 17-35mm f/2.8 'L' is the best of that bunch, which is again why I use it often in preference to the 24mm. As people have mentioned, the convenience and creative potential of zooms, when they are good enough, can trump the often utimately better image quality of primes. Ideally, it's good to use both.<br /><br /> </p> <p> </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_shimonkevitz Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 <p>If one scrutinizes the online lens tests that have published resolution data, and not simply relied on subjective opinion, the 70-200mm f4 IS zoom is as sharp as any prime telephoto out there and sharper than any of the other zoom aternatives. I have one and it has lived up to my expectations for indoor (low light-ramp up to iso 1600) and outdoor equestrian photography (moving & jumping horses). The 200mm f1.8/2.0 tests very high, but the price is astronomical, and both the 85mm f1.2 and 100mm macro have very high resolution data as well. For wider angle lenses, I would look to the Zeiss ZE lenses for the Canon EOS mount, although the 50mm f1.4 Zeiss lens was no better in my hands than my Canon EF 50mm f1.4 (both sharpened up equally well by f2.8-4, but the Canon has a much nicer soft focus look for portraits and way better bokeh at f1.4 than the Zeiss). I would also recommend the Leitz 35mm f2 Summicron-R with EOS adapter before any of the Canon 35mm lenses if you can focus and meter manually. All my experience is with the full frame 5D MkII, if you are shooting APS-C it might be a different story.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred_labounty Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 <p>The 500/4 IS i regret selling was my sharpest lens. After that my old 200/2.8 version one would give it a close second, then the 100/2.8 macro(version one).</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin_b.2 Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 <p>135 2.0L<br> 200mm 2.0L<br> 85 1.2L<br> 50 1.4<br> 60mm 2.8 macro</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_ferris Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 <p>Kevin, 50 f1.4! Are you joking with us?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janisk Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 <p>"Pick any six of the "L" series primes, especially the ones over 50mm in focal length."</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janisk Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 <p>"Pick any six of the "L" series primes, especially the ones over 50mm in focal length."<br> I vote for that:}</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryan_lardizabal Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 <p>Add these to the "mix" 85mm f1.8 & 400mm f5.6</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_wagner1 Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 <p>ISO 12233 Chart 100% Crop Comparison at the digital picture is an amazing resource. I've owned the 400 5.6 forever and although it's awesome I don't think it's up there with the 300 and 400 2.8s</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbelleza Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 <p>In my hands unskilled as they are, with my eyes, and on my 1DMkIII and 20D, my 300/2.8LIS tops my other supertele and my 135/2.0L tops my 2 other shorter focal length primes.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmond_kidman Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 <p>My TSE 90 is sharper than my Zeiss 100 Makro, my Zeiss 85 1.4, and my Canon 85 1.8. I'm surprised the unit an above poster has is not sharp in his opinion. My TSE 45 is as sharp as my 50 1.4...again, maybe I'm lucky with my copy. <br> Over 100mm the 135L and 300 2.8 get my vote as very sharp in their class. <br> All tested on 1Ds3. <br> These comparisons are all a bit academic though, I think prints or views on a screen from the 28, 35, 45, 50, 85 1.8, 135L, 200L, or the various Zeiss lenses I have are all good enough to take lens quality out of the equation completely when judging the success of a print. The only Canon lens I have tried where I would have said that I might notice a lack of optical quality, relative to a superior lens, in a print was the 20mm. The moral: go out and shoot!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Smith Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 <p>The only lens I have that really shimmers and shines over and above all the others is the 135/2 - but this is partly its beautiful bokeh. The 85mmL is said to have the same quality. I rate the 70-200f4IS as a superb lens too, even if it does not quite match the 135mm. The 85mm1.8 is a good lens, but is not quite in the same league.</p> Robin Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin_b.2 Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 <p>No joke, 50mm 1.4 @ 5.6.<br> <a href="http://www.photodo.com/product_44_p4.html">http://www.photodo.com/product_44_p4.html</a></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mars c Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 <p>In my experience , the most differentiating factor between L and non L is the way the L lens render color and contrast.<br> The difference in sharpness between a good non L vs the L lens is only visible when pixel peeping.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_janes Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 <p>Canon mentions using lead-free glass today for ecological reasons, but does this in any way have an adverse or constraining effect on optical design and performance?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake_cole Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 <p>The sharpest lens is no match for the Victorinox Swiss Army Knife.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_ferris Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 <p>Jake,</p> <p>A blunt Leatherman will cut a Victorinox in half. Even on FF at 4 feet by 6 feet.</p> <p>:-)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_clarke3 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 <p>Having just got the 100L I can say that I am truly amazed. I never realised a lens could be so sharp.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild_india Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 <p>i would like to add the Canon EF 400mm f2.8L II to the list<br> Please see my review of this lens<br> <a href="http://wild-india.net/articles/canon-ef-400mm-f2-8l-ii-review/">http://wild-india.net/articles/canon-ef-400mm-f2-8l-ii-review/</a><br /><br /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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