anthonybagileo Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 I have been reading all the comparisons of these 2 cameras on this forum. I have a 1ds mk 2 and a eos 40d. I have all the bases covered for when i need certain responses , for example, low light auto focus , weather sealing,etc. Im looking to purchase a 7ne because i'd like to do some film work. My question is simple, under simple controlled conditions is there really any significant difference in image quality. Thats all i want to know. Unless there is some drastic image quality difference im gonna stick with the 7ne. I have a bunch of "L" lenses to go with the camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franklin_polk Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 I have both. The both produce excellent images. Unlike digital cameras where each camera has a different sensor, two film cameras, assuming they both focus and meter accurately, and have the same film, will produce identical images. Ultimately, a film SLR is just a light tight box. The extra features can make things much more user friendly; the 1v definitely handles better. Otherwise, they will have identical image quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsaavedra Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I totally agree. I also own both cameras and for the price nowadays I'd go for the 1v. IQ would be the same but once you hold both cameras in your hands you'll notice where the extra money is allocated. Beside the extra features, which I love, the elan looks like a toy compared to the 1v, especially with the PBE2 attached. I keep the elan for traveling light though but rarely use it since I moved to digital 1 year ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjaminoliverhicks Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 It's all about the film, lens, and then the processing afterwards (processing/scanning/printing) for image quality with film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_b.1 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 The image quality is also linkt by the exposure . When you get under or overexpose frames , you can forget quality... Eos 1V expose acurate 100% . It's a big difference between the 2 bodyes. Buy 1v and you won't regret ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuppyDigs Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 "It's all about the film, lens, and then the processing afterwards (processing/scanning/printing) for image quality with film." If only it were so simple. Perhaps if you shoot still life or landscapes you won't notice any diff except for the excellent handling and huge bright VF of the 1V. However, if you shoot under dim light or fast action sports it will be a night and day diff: 1V AF is about 10 times better. Basically the Elan 7 will choke while the 1V nails it. Maybe 10 sharp AI servo images from the 1V vs 1 or 2 from the Elan. Also, the 1V is weather sealed so in a downpour the Elan may fail while the 1V keeps crankin'. Sometimes the light’s all shining on me. Other times I can barely see. - Robert Hunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny_c Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 The 7ne is much quieter, if that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ad trace Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 In case you haven't already, it's probably worth considering a second hand EOS 3. Highly recommended by it's users - I would buy it if I were starting again (I have the EOS 30e). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e._r._averitt Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Anthony, 1V At the Canon USA site, they have only one film camera still listed! There are no other choices, but the 1V. IMHO, this is the last chance for a new EOS film body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric merrill Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 The image quality will be the same. I found the 1v much more enjoyable to use than the 7n. (I never used the 7ne.) Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMWright Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Pick them up and handle them in the store if you can. As others have noted, it is just a box to hold the film... but if one handles better and fits your hands better, etc, then that is the one to buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_osullivan Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I also have both. As many others have stated, image quality is identical. It's about the features. The 1v is bigger heavier and I find the controls a bit less convenient and less intuitive. But this one is very rugged/durable and inspires a high level of confidence in harsh shooting settings. The 7ne is smaller, lighter, easier controls that are more similar to the controls on the digital bodies. It should really just be a matter of preference. But I would guess the 1 has a longer shutter life cycle than the 7 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony_zipple Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Under simple, controlled conditions there will be little or no difference. I say "little or no" rather than "no" because durability is an issue. I would trust an old 1V more than a comparable 7 because it is really, really built to last with exceptional attention to quality. So maybe there are minor differences, but far less that differences introduced by user variances. For fast shooting under challenging conditions the 1V may be the best 35mm film body ever produced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemeskin Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 The Elan 7n is much lighter, smaller and quieter. 1V has very accurate focus, and a great finder, but it's big and loud. Canon used to offer a CD with additional custom functions for 1V, one of these CFs allowed to quiet down the shutter and film advance, but this CD is no longer available. I bought a 7n to replace my 1V and it's now my main Canon film body, however I decided not to sell the 1V because I do not believe that the Elan is built to last. Considering the price difference, it almost makes sense to keep both. I got mine used for $150. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregf Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I used to have a 7e and a 1V, now I only have the 1V. There is no comparisson between the two 1) 45 point AF v 7 point 2) Weather proofing 3) 1/8000 max shutter speed 4) CF available on the 1V 5) With the software and cable, you can see various shooting variables on the 1V, similar to digital 6) Lighted LCD display on the 1V 7) I think I recall that the 1V provides an extra metering mode 8) 1V has a faster FPS 9) The 1V is better to shoot IR film with 10) The 1V is noticably louder, that way everyone around you knows that you are shooting with the best 35mm film camera ever made :) I could probably go on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Collins Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Everything Gregory said! You're more likely to capture more keepers with the 1v since it utilizes 7 cross sensors compared to the 1 in the Elan, not to mention the seemingly infinite number of ways you can configure the 45 focus points. We used an Elan 7 for quite some time along with my 1v and our DSLRs, and I've always preferred the output from the 1v over the Elan (and frequently over that from my DSLRs too!). Film output from both is certainly similar but the metering and focusing algorithms in the 1v are different from those in the Elan as are the focusing algorithms, all of which results in improved image quality over all of the other Canon film bodies except for maybe the EOS 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjscharp Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Remember that the Elan 7NE is FOUR YEARS newer than the 1V... I think the main question is what you intend to shoot with the film body. If you're going for tripod mounted landscapes, I doubt you'll notice any difference, if you're shooting sports, kids and critters, you're probably better off with the 1V. As for durability, with current second hand prices, you can get over four 7NE's for the price of a single 1V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotograf Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 The 1V clearly has better metering, and it's obvious in photos. The Elan is a consumer body, I believe and also does not have as many focus points. But, the biggest thing is the 1V's metering which is far better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjscharp Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Of course, if you plan to use flash: the 7N(E) has E-TTL II, the only Canon film body to do so, I believe, so there the metering might actually beat the 1V under certain circumstances... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotograf Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Isn't E-TTK II kind of similar to Nikon's use of D in their lenses- providing distance when used with a flash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanjay_chaudary Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 I bought an EOS 3 used from keh.com . I am quite happy with it. Almost as good as EOS 1V and better than EOS Elan 7E. eos 1v, 3 have spot metering. Main reason why I bought was to have autofocus with my 400 f5.6 lens stacked with 1.4 extender ( effective aperture f/8 ) . Elan 7e autofocus doesnt work with aperture of f/8 or slower. central focussing sensor will work in eos 3 , eos 1v with lens with aperture of f/8. check the manuals online and you can see the difference between eos 3, eos 1v and eos 30. got my eos 3 in like new condition for close to 500 $ from keh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug_harhai Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Keep in mind what Puppy Face said, as well as Sanjay, above: Eos-1V has much better metering and autofocus than the Elan, and the Elan is much quieter than the Eos series. The Eos-3 may be a good compromise; better in focusing than the Elan, cheaper than the Eos-1v. It is my favorite film camera. It is a shame that I don't shoot it more. Scanning film is such a pain once you get used to digital capture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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