matt_oulman Posted February 5, 2002 Share Posted February 5, 2002 "Firstly I was not castigating the bearer of the report on the Fatali incident alone but all of you." <BR>Gee, James.... I found your post at the very top, before anyone else had posted...I guess you knew what was going to be said... <BR><BR>As I said in my previous post, it makes NO difference if there was any damage or not. <BR>Let's get right to the heart of this - a photograph, no matter how spectacular, no matter the photographer, is not THAT *&^%$$###'n important! <BR><<<GASP!!!>>> <<<SHOCK!!>>> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audidudi Posted February 5, 2002 Share Posted February 5, 2002 James, I believe your example would be closer to the mark if you made Fatali a driving instructor with a car full of students. Under these circumstances, he should be exercising greater care, not less, and he should be held to higher standards of performance and/or conduct, not lower standards. Accidents do happen but speeding on a slippery road was irresponsible and I'm sorry if you disagree but I think he should have known better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerry_thalmann2 Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 How's this for irony, just three days after the Fatali sentencing... <p> http://www.kgw.com/sports/olympics/olympicstory.html?StoryID=36085 <p> I sure hope Ms. Spann had the proper permits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis_vener_photography Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 I don't see any irony here Kerry. Now if she was splashing a molten parafin, chemical (sp?) & ash mix and doing so in the dark then we would have irony. As it is we just have marketing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerry_thalmann2 Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 Ellis, <p> While I appreciate the different circumstances in these two situations, I most certainly do find it ironic in terms of the overall messages presented by our federal government. <p> On Feb 1, 2002 our federal government says: <p> fire + Delicate Arch = bad, VERY bad (illegal, in fact) <p> On Feb 4, 2002 our federal government tells the world: <p> fire + Delicate Arch = good, VERY good (after all, isn't the point of a marketing campaign to create a positive response) <p> I'm not trying to justify what Fatali did. Nothing of the sort. He broke the law, he faced the charges, plead guilty and was sentenced by the powers that be. End of story, as far as I'm concerned. (it's already been beaten to death here, and elsewhere online). I just personally found it ironic that the same government that would make a high profile case out of Fatali's fires at Delicate Arch would turn around three days later and use fire at Delicate Arch as a promotional tool. I'm not commenting on the right vs. wrong or legal vs. illegal aspects of the two "incidents", just the juxtaposition of fire + Delicate Arch = bad vs. fire + Delicate Arch = good. Given the hoopla that the Fatali case has caused here (and elsewhere), it was the absolute FIRST thing I thought of when I saw that image of the olympic torch blazing away in front of Delicate Arch. Perhaps, not the image the olympic marketeers intended, but none the less, the one that popped into my mind. <p> Sorry for trying to inject a little humor into this tedious thread. I now return you to your regularly scheduled flame war (oops, there I go again, sorry about that). <p> Kerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis_vener_photography Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 By god Kerry, I missed that point. My silliness quotient was out to lunch. I say we roast Fatali alive on a pyre of his images at the base of Delicate Arch. the Earth Gods have been angered and they need to be appeased. let the act be commemerated only on black & white film for that is the only film a purist needs.<P>Now if the runner had tripped and in falling rolled over the torch causing the torch to catch her synthetic outfit (made, no doubt in China or Vietnam by prisoners or child labor) on fire melting it into into the rock as she rolled down toward the base of the arch and In the media crush more camera men and pr flacks fell and crashing into the base of the arch had caused it to fall... Now that would be irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torchy Posted March 31, 2002 Share Posted March 31, 2002 I've got some Duraflame logs and want to photograph Fatali's gallery in Springdale, UT and tour van by firelight. Smoke 'em if you got 'em. Anybody got a light? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan_chu Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 </i> bye bye italics.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpshiker Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Hello thread... Oh, you again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorge_gasteazoro4 Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 LOL...I know Paul, I wanted to slap Allan across the head for bringing this thread back to the front....(Just kidding Allan!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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