Do you miss the pre 5D Mark II days ?

[savagesax]

I'm still waiting for coffee maker custom function attachment.

[bobatkins]

That's what a photo assistant is for!

[nathancraver]

How about a built in alarm clock in the camera. I mean that as a joke, but it might prove useful.

[len_kocurek]

And it doesn't have a cigar lighter................

 

I love my 5D and certainly have no "need" for the 5D MKii but I might get one anyway just because it's a bargain.

[chrissyone]

You can't put EF-S lenses on it, -- I don't have any, because I've used a few. they're trash.

 

it doesn't have a built in flash -- my XTi does. times I have used it since I got my 580 EXII: Zero. (AF pre-flash of the

built-in makes it useless. this makes people at raves freak out. need soothing red lines.)

 

and it doesn't have body based image stabilization. -- that's a good one.

 

The Sony has more pixels -- word. but only 14% more. and, er, have you seen the samples?

 

a built in flash -- See #2

 

and can use the Sony/Minolta APS-C coverage lenses, -- I'll probably live.

 

plus it has body based stabilization (up to 4 stops) -- nice.

 

so you can have a stabilized system with a 50/1.4 lens that can be hand held down to maybe 1/4s. -- maybe.

 

If you look hard enough, there's plenty of opportunity for moaning and complaining about the shortcomings of the 5D

MkII, as I'm sure we will see in the coming days. -- or sooner.

 

I also certainly agree that we will soon be discussing whether to get a 5D MkII or wait and see what Canon offer in the

1Ds MkIV. -- not if the 1Ds4 is still 8 grand we wont.

 

which can't be far away now (PMA perhaps?) -- We'll see.

[sven keil]

I prefer 12 big-sized genuine megapixels rather than (citing dpreview) "DIGIC 4 also provides for improved noise

reduction algorithms, complementing the already low noise images from the EOS 5D Mark II’s CMOS sensor.". They

try to convince us with pixel count, and tell you that their noise suppression algorithms take care of the rest.

However, even the latest cutting-edge-noise-suppression algorithms (published in IEEE and other journals) cannot

do miracles. At least where high ISO is needed, your 21 megapixels resolution shrinks to an effective lower one,

because you loose texture details (for specialists: high spatial frequencies).

 

Nikon for sure does not sleep, and I speculate that a D3x will likely to be equipped with the latest SONY sensor

(24MP), and perhaps they are going to release also a D700x with movie capability. A distinguishing feature with

Nikon is their backward lens compatibility. The rest (technology, handling...), as many things in life, may be a

simple matter of taste...

[thomas_hardy1]

"Well, the D700 is only 12MP, so 5D owners don't need to bother!"

 

Some are now trying to say that's a more attractive feature. See above.

[danbliss]

21 Mpixel... Ha. The guys here have a Gpixel camera (http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/info/press-

releases/GPC/gigapixel_camera-8-07.html) Now that's a camera. You will need a sturdy tripod though. :-)

 

The 5D is a wonderful camera with a few flaws. The 5DII is an even better camera with fewer flaws. Sure, I wish it had

a mirror flip-up button, but it is an amazing piece of technology. Someday when I upgrade (no time soon), I will continue

taking lots of bad photographs with a significantly improved camera.

 

Dan

[steve_dunn2]

<cite>You can't put EF-S lenses on it, -- I don't have any, because I've used a few. they're trash.</cite>

 

<p>So, because you've used a couple of cheapie EF-S lenses, you can assert that the 17-55 is trash?</p>

 

<p>Back to the original topic: the glaring omission, of course, is <abbr title="eye-controlled focusing">ECF</abbr>. Now all the rest of your ECF-lovers (I know there are lots of others, as they chime in whenever ECF is discussed) can chime in and we can hope that Canon is listening and we only have a couple of years to wait for the 5D IIIE. Although I'm not holding my breath.</p>

[fred_labounty]

what's the big deal about dual card slots? I have dual card slots in my 1dm11 and rarely use the second. . doesn't anyone remember film cameras with just 36 exposures? We all got by fine with that. it amazes me that everyone bashes a camera before they've even laid hands on it. Funny! Everyone looked forward to the release of new film cameras...and they were rarely disappointed.

[peter_e]

Still no dedicated mirror lock up button, but with now three custom modes less of an issue.

Cable release connector still on the side of the body where it interferes with L plates--should have moved it to the

front or top.

GPS connectivity requires extra battery grip.

 

Nice to see a new prime wide angle lens. I don't quite understand why they have not released a new 20 mm first--

IMHO the biggest gap in their line-up. And IS for the 400mm f/5.6.

[Landrum Kelly]

When I switched to full-frame (5D) in 2006, I also bought my first EOS lenses, and right now I have no EF-S lenses--so that is not an issue. I don't do sports or action photography, so the AF question is not an issue for me. The 5D II has better weather sealing than the 5D, which itself was good enough for my purposes.

 

So . . . I am going to be looking almost solely at image quality in the reviews that will be coming out. For my type of shooting, that is the ultimate criterion, as it bears on the one thing that matters to me: results for my style of shooting. If dpreview.com or another reputable individual or outfit shows the 5D II to be superior in IQ to whatever else is out there at the price, I will probably get one sooner or later.

 

Even so, I do believe that the future belongs to SONY: lots of money for R&D, anti-shake built into the camera, a good line of lenses for those who are just starting out and don't yet have a lot invested in Canon or Nikon lenses, etc. Canon will probably add anti-shake to the body sooner or later, but when?

 

Until I have had a chance to find out more about the image quality of the 5D II, I am not going to complain. I don't see any point in complaining about something that I have never used, or even held.

 

Nikon? I will say this about Nikon. If its fans will stop saying "We don't need more megapixels" and start calling for more megapixels, Nikon could come away the winner. At that point, of course, Nikon fans will suddenly start shouting about how many megapixels they can use, rather than how they don't need them. Right now they can only shout about frames per second, low noise at extremely high ISO, and more points in auto-focus. Some are in extreme denial about image quality. None of those advantages that Nikon clearly holds in certain functions is enough to make me want to go with the D700 or D3 right now. If I were an action shooter, things might be different. (Then again, given the 1D III and my investment in Canon lenses, I am not so sure.)

 

All the noise reminds me of a quote we hear in academia: the fights are so bitter because the stakes are so small. Now that digital imaging has matured and we can only look forward to paying more and more for smaller and smaller incremental improvements, the stakes get smaller and smaller, and the bickering and complaining get more and more ridiculous.

 

We are arguing and complaining about things of less and less significance. I say, get a good camera of any reputable brand and go shoot some pictures. Since no camera out there can "do it all" the very best, camera and brand selection right now come down to which does what the best: Nikon for speed, Canon for image quality, SONY for in-camera anti-shake. For my purposes, Canon is therefore looking pretty good right now, and the 5D II looks like something I can get excited about--when the price starts to drop. In the meantime I'll keep shooting my 5D and IDs II along with my full-frame L lenses, as long as I can afford to do so. No point in changing horses in midstream again. I'm happy. Canon will be either at or near the top for the rest of my life, and so my future in photography lies with Canon. If I were younger or shot different styles, I am sure that I might see it differently.

 

I can't wait to see the image comparisons.

 

--Lannie

[chrissyone]

"So, because you've used a couple of cheapie EF-S lenses, you can assert that the 17-55 is trash?"

 

Tongue slightly in cheek of course... ;) But my partner has this lens, and she's still always asking to use my 28-135,

which as we have discussed before, has it's own issues. I have compared it directly to my 16-35, and I'm afraid it doesn't

come close.

 

Anyway, there are better lenses out there than EF-S for just about every focal length, except the 10-22, which I have not

used and I've considered buying, but I doubt I'll keep using my XTi for landscapes when I have a 5DII/16-35 combo.

[14mm 2.8l]

I don't know about the future belonging to Sony.

 

I'm impressed that they've stabilized full frame. I have no clue how fast they autofocus, or if they tend to hunt focus.

 

However when activated you cannot see the image stablize in the viewfinder on image stabilzed dslr bodies. When

using my 70-200mm 2.8L IS and 1.4x or 2x I really enjoy seeing the image stabilize in the viewfinder.

 

Nikon and Sony are making canon better, more competetive. I doubt 3 years will pass before the consumer full frame

5D mark II is replaced. Without Nikon and Sony offering full frame(s) I bet we'd just be wondering why 5D still had no

upgrade.

 

Me, I'm way too happy with 5D I picked up this year and I look foward to getting a 5D II by Spring 2010, likely when

its

discontinued or costs a few hundred less? We'll see if its a production cycle of 18 months instead of 36 months.

 

I never buy freshly

issued equiptment. Its always worth waiting for wants. Needs, thats different. With full fame inhand means 5D II is a

want & not a need for me.

 

Lindy

[oofoto]

TIME. That is what I miss most. Using my 5D is not a very common event with young kids and everyday life. My 5D still exceeds anything I expect of it. It easily beats my 10D in all respects esp AF. It equals MY usage of the EOS3 AF accuracy so I'm happy. I'm sure the 5D MKII day will come for me but nobody here has been desperate for a replacement they've only been too happy with the 5D itself. Long live the 5D.

[ardenpress]

Sharpen your teeth, those of you who bear a kinship to vultures, A stupid question: Why does a camera born from the ashes of film have to have a a HD video component? No DSLR can do what a movie camera can and is designed to do at its various cost points. If you want to take pictures of your kids or grandkids playing soccer get one. The results will warm your heart, indubitably. But if you want to take the best single shots your eye, technique, and soul can produce why not demand that Canon et al keep HDV with HDV, and 'film' with 'film'. Aristotle would love the neater taxonomy. I resent having to pay for the 'movie film' content of a camera. The space it uses can better be taken up by the technology some of us would prefer on a DSLR-(Mirror lock up, or 10 frames a second anyone? -----Filll in the blank.) OR give us a choice next time: a new Canon 5DIII with or without the movie hash, the latter at a lower price.

[chrissyone]

^ What a visionary...<p>

 

<i>"No DSLR can do what a movie camera can and is designed to do at its various cost points."</i>

<p>

How about accept my 15mm fisheye... or any of the other lenses I already own? Which video camera does that? <br>

 

How about... be present in my hand while I'm shooting stills? <br>

<br>

{waiting...}<br>

<br>

Maybe you just work out more than I do and like to carry around more stuff.

That's fair.<br>

It hilarious how badly this video thing offends some people. Well ya better get used to it, chickpea. This is going to

change the game for all of us, and any amount of technophobic curmudgeonyness isn't going to stop it.

[greglynch]

My son is a professional multiple award winning videographer and producer. I asked him about this - and he responded the same way a Mac user responds to a PC. DSLR Video may enable someone to throw some amateur stuff up on You Tube, but that's probably as far as it going to get. The professional video folks are not saying, "get used to it, chickpea." What they're saying is "this ain't changin' the game at all!"

[chrissyone]

It's just another tool. In the hands of an amateur, you'll get amateur results. Personally, I'm excited about the things that

crusty old pros haven't though of yet.

 

-c

[Landrum Kelly]

The video is about marketing. More people will see it as an asset than as a liability, and therefore it will increase sales, whether it "should" or not.

 

--Lannie

[hawkman]

"The EF-S lens issue is also only sightly tongue in cheek. Both Nikon and Sony allow the use of existing APS-C coverage lenses on their full frame DSLRs..."

 

Bob, may I ask what EF-S lens do you have that you want to mount on 5DII and live with the resulting 8 mpixels?

[s._lee_cashman]

"The space it uses can better be taken up by the technology some of us would prefer on a DSLR-(Mirror lock up, or 10

frames a second anyone? -----Filll in the blank.)"

 

The 5DII doesn't have mirror lock-up? Wow. I was (probably naively) thinking that MLU would be a given. Disappointing.

[Landrum Kelly]

What is missing is some kind of <i>external</i> way of activating mirror lock-up. No one wants to have to go into those menus to perform a function as basic as that. Lots of megapixels mean nothing if one cannot keep the whole outfit from vibrating and blurring them all together.<p><p>

 

--Lannie

[vadtel]

I'm happy with my 5D, 40D and 30D converted to infrared. Almost always, even when I just walk around, I have 580 or 550 flash (depends on what bag I'm taking). I don't care about wireless controller and thinking to sell my Canon wireless transmitter as I will mostly use strobes for indoors portraiture. I'm absolutely fine with autofocus in any body I have. What about more AF points mentioned somewhere in photonet, I will be appreciate if it will be somehow closer to the corner area, which couldn't be find in any Canon or Nikon body. More ISO with less noise possibility sounds very attractive in coming body. Also more pixels will be a good thing for those, shooting for stock, where more file size needed. Second card is a real thing I will miss in the new otherwise excellent Mark II body.

[chrissyone]

Seems like I'm not t he only one...

<p>

<a href="http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008/09/20/something-very-interesting-is-comingboth-to-this-blog-and-to-our-

industry/">http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008/09/20/something-very-interesting-is-comingboth-to-this-blog-and-to-our-

industry/</a>

<p>

The video isn't posted yet, but it certainly sounds interesting.