robert_m_johnson Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Because you know it's not art unless it is done with a 4x5, or is that a dslr? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_m_johnson Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/robert_m_johnson/2242582183/" title="Untitled by Robert_M_Johnson, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2228/2242582183_f8da0d3454_o.jpg" width="802" height="452" alt="Untitled" /></a> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 >>> It doesn't matter where people meet. It matters where people exist. OK, you originally said meet. So lets move on to "exist." Go ahead on that one... www.citysnaps.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprouty Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 <I>"No doubt projection on that characterization..."</I> <P> Your probably right. <P> <I>"- I'm all ears on above specifics."</I> <P> Like I said, I'm a little short on SP demographics, but we could start with you and me: can I assume both white and middle aged? <P> (no offense intended if you turn out to be a 13-yo Korean girl) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_m_johnson Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Eugene, you live in/near Agawam? No wonder you are pissey. Get out of the woods boy! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_m_johnson Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 I'm sure that you have a lot of REAL live art buddies in Agawam Eugene, they must be running all over the place! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprouty Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Robert in Worcester, Eugene in Agawam, and me in Providence, all within 80 miles of each other, all up at 2:00 in the morning, and not one of us at a bar, we should be ashamed. I'm going to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_m_johnson Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Eugene, I'm sorry. I have no idea where you live. You may have just been visiting the Agawam area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
________1 Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 <b>'I am a passionate lover of the snapshot because of all photographic images it comes closest to truth'</b><p> Lisette Model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clive1 Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 ><i>Like I said, I'm a little short on SP demographics, but we could start with you and me: can I assume both white and middle aged? <P>(no offense intended if you turn out to be a 13-yo Korean girl)</i> <P>SP, here's <a href=http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00O8HX>a clue</a>. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhooru Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Eugene I like your HD nite shots, though for you the medium is the message. They exhibit no more or less interest or context or purpose than any other common street photograph. They are lovely for me though because of your interest in light and the mood and quality that brings in. Something many of us share. And you do raise the debate a bit. But its amusing how you like to fit people into these convenient little mental boxes. The sort of mind set of kids who play on the internet all day or spend their time playing computer games. You probably fall off to sleep thinking you're Socrates or someone. Feelin strong and good bout yourself. Personally I believe, and I think several would, that its not really about a genre of photography, its really about self-exploration. Every so called "original" artist became so because they found an interest and followed its path and worked hard to go where the journey lead. It is about the work, not being a this or a that. I leave those distinctions for those that have some stake in it. And I don't get why that you think less of artist that put their work up for sale and then tout the credentials of some guy who's site is totally bout selling product. <scratch head in confusion> And then Orville's sux because of the buttons?? Dude.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray . Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 <center><a href=" title="Untitled by Chaospress, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2178/1884963875_bd1a006b05_o.jpg" width="900" height="600" alt="" /></a><p></center> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugene_scherba Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 <p>> <i>Eugene I like your HD nite shots, though for you the medium is the message. They exhibit no more or less interest or context or purpose than any other common street photograph. </i></p> <p>You're exactly right, which is why I'm not going to bring them in a portfolio to any gallery or show. These are personal shots and they were about self-exploration you love to talk about. However, they're not serious photography, and I do not plan to continue that series.</p> <p>> <i>Personally I believe, and I think several would, that its not really about a genre of photography, its really about self-exploration.</i></p> <p>Yadda yadda. If your photography is about self-exploration, why do you show it to other people?</p> <p>> <i>I don't get why that you think less of artist that put their work up for sale and then tout the credentials of some guy who's site is totally bout selling product.</i></p> <p>Because I have a certain experience which comes from viewing established artists' portfolios. You don't, apparently.</p> <p>> <i>And then Orville's sux because of the buttons?</i></p> <p>Yes, and it is amazing to me that people here just "don't see it." Must be a sad bunch of folks.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugene_scherba Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 <p>> <i>Robert in Worcester, Eugene in Agawam, and me in Providence, all within 80 miles of each other, all up at 2:00 in the morning, and not one of us at a bar, we should be ashamed.</i></p> <p>No, I'm not in Agawam, I'm in Boston area. Let's meet at Monk's Cafe one day. Thx for recommending it, BTW, they have awesome pale Belgian beer.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugene_scherba Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 I meant the one in Philly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugene_scherba Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 <p><i>I am a passionate lover of the snapshot because of all photographic images it comes closest to truth'</i></p> <p>Exactly. Makes me wonder why so many people here were pissed when the talk came to Warhol's snapshots...</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akochanowski Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 While we're at it, let's talk about the high suck factor of the grainy/high contrast/Moriyama/Klein-style wannabe digi pix that pass for high art 'round here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhooru Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 "...they were about self-exploration you to to talk about. . ." Actually, I've never talked about that here ever except this one time..so why are you putting words in my mouth? Is it as I suggested before, you need to pigeonhole people and define them in your terms so you can then argue with your projected image of them? This isn't really a discussion, its more of a Karl Rovian tactic. It seems pretty dishonest to me, but if you need to do that go ahead, just realize its your image devoid of much reality. And your HDR photos are not about self-exploration at all. They were you trying to learn a technique, which is good, but don't confuse the two. "why show it to other people". Why not...self-exploration doesn't happen or live in a vacuum. If you were serious about yours, you would understand that. "Because I have a certain experience which comes from viewing established artists' portfolios. You don't, apparently. You miss the point, I don't do regular portfolio view, but I have seen photographer friends portfolios when looking to get into various photography schools and a couple of fashion photographers and commercial guys looking for gigs. A website is not a portfolio generally. Yes, an establish artist/photographer, does not sell out of a portfolio, but every "established" professional sells their work, these days usually off a website. I'm surprised you didn't know that. "Yes, and it is amazing to me that people here just "don't see it." Must be a sad bunch of folks." Well, I just went and looked at Orville's site. There is some pretty nice pics there and that is what's important at least to me. But Orville, he's right..those little mac buttons sux!! :) "While we're at it, let's talk about the high suck factor of the grainy/high contrast/Moriyama/Klein-style wannabe digi pix that pass for high art 'round here." Its really no different than over saturated color digi pictures with the contrast pumped up to give them a psuedo edgy feel or fake cross-processed look that I see all over the web. ...but whatever turns you on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray . Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Andy, if you want to have some involved discussion and critique, don't you think it would make a lot more sense if you and Eugene were involved on a regular basis here, posting street or docu pics, instead of doing a drive-by? I think some of the negative reaction is coming because Eugene hasn't done that, he's just sort of dropped in lately and lit fires. But if he wants to get into it, pics like what he's posted above should certainly be open to criticism. Fair is fair. You see, it's a fine line to walk between criticizing people's work and being honest about it, and trying to remain friends and being civil to people. If we could all find an agreeable way to talk about these things, I'd be all for it. I don't see anyone here who hasn't posted crap at one time or another, or anyone who has a corner on what's legit and what's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprouty Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Glad to see everyone survived the night.<P><I>"I'm in Boston area. Let's meet at Monk's Cafe one day...the one in Philly"</I><P>Eugene, I'll be down again teaching my liver who's boss on 3/14-3/16, please feel welcome to join us, I promise a pub crawl you won't remember. In the mean time please tell me you've been over to <a href="http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/2247/?view=beerfly">The Public House</a> in Brookline? <P><I>"While we're at it, let's talk about the high suck factor of the grainy/high contrast/Moriyama/Klein-style wannabe digi pix that pass for high art 'round here."</I><P>Damn Andy what's next, my sister is ugly? You're killing me, I'm such a sucker for <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/mexad/sets/72157600498924816/show/">that stuff</a>. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akochanowski Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Ray, this forum positively sucks for quality. I don't comment much because there's not much to comment about. Back patting isn't smething I'm really good at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprouty Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 <I>"...it's a fine line to walk between criticizing people's work and being honest about it, and trying to remain friends and being civil to people."</I> <P> Just to be clear, I want the brutal truth. I'd rather stand behind someone looking at my work and hear them say is derivative shite, than have them look me in the eye and toss off some ambiguous nonsense because they worry about protecting my frail ego. <P> Because we're not really friends you owe me the truth, straight up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 >>> Ray, this forum positively sucks for quality. Well, OK, when was the last time you lead posting something good here? www.citysnaps.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 "Just to be clear, I want the brutal truth. I'd rather stand behind someone looking at my work and hear them say is derivative shite, than have them look me in the eye and toss off some ambiguous nonsense because they worry about protecting my frail ego." Me too. I'd rather be uncomfortable with the truth than comfortable with a lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhooru Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 "Just to be clear, I want the brutal truth. I'd rather stand behind someone looking at my work and hear them say is derivative shite, than have them look me in the eye and toss off some ambiguous nonsense because they worry about protecting my frail ego." Sure, there's truth, there's brutal truth, and then there's just brutal. Truth is never brutal. It only becomes that way when delivered brutally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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