brett_cole Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 I'd be interested to see a comparison test of shooting a scene with the 1.4x tele, versus shooting it without and then using GF to enlarge it 140%. A real test, not opinion as to what might be better. Thanks, Brett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainer_t Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 Very likely the answer is 'it depends' ... in http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/tutorials/tc3.html ... you find examples where simple bicubic upsizing (not even something fancy like GF) gives better results than a TC does. So, likely upsizing isn't bad ... if the TC can beat upsizing depends on how well the TC works together with the lens. Sorry, cant help you with a real test ... so eventually ignore this if you find this is just an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett_cole Posted July 4, 2007 Author Share Posted July 4, 2007 Thanks, this is what I was looking for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_jones2 Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 Quick answer : the better the lens, the better the effect of the 1.4x. Canon's were optically designed to complement the Canon super tele series (300, 400 500 and 600 primes), so they don't usually work as well with zooms (as Bob showed) When I had a 300 2.8 I was curious and found the 2x was better than digitally upscaling (can't find the images now) but with that and the 500/4 my experience is similar to Bob's : 1.4x better than upscaling while the 2x was marginally better. The extent to which all this matters is obviously dependent on the final image and how it's viewed. Original pixels count for more when you plan to print "to the limit" rather than downscaling for e.g. webdisplay. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett_cole Posted July 4, 2007 Author Share Posted July 4, 2007 Should have stated I'm using a 400 5.6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark u Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 Using a 1.4x on a f/5.6 lens is likely to leave you with focus problems, as discussed in your other question. The quality of the software upsized shot is going to depend on your camera sensor and on the nature of the subject. Some subjects upsize better with different algorithms. You may also need to take some account of shutter speed and camera shake - at a maximum of f/8 you will be forced to use a higher ISO than at f/5.6 in all probability, which will also affect the comparative results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lester_wareham Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 If have found both the 1.4X and 2X (as well as 2X vs 1.4X image) to be better that bicubic upsizing with both the 300/4 IS and 200/2.8. It does indeed depend on the lens quality, but even the lesser primes work well. Remember, if the information is not there all Genuine Fractals can do is create information, ie extrapolate, ie guess. I have seen comparisons with GF and the more recent bicubic methods and the difference did not seem to be much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lester_wareham Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 PS. I have a write-up of that here http://www.zen20934.zen.co.uk/photography/LensTests/tc_comp/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobatkins Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 On a good lens, the 1.4x will always be better. You can't add information that's not there. Genuine Fractals can make a good guess, but that's all it is, a calculated guess at the missing information. With a bad lens, it could be a close call, and GF might even look better. See http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/tutorials/tc3.html and http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/reviews/canon_EF_70-300_II.html for some examples (using bicubic interpolation rather than GF though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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