karl.jahr Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Hard disks on computers over time become checkerboarded as files are created and removed, and as a result, usable space is lost to holes too small to take up files. That's where defragmentation software has to perform its job.<P><P> My question is: does one get a checkerboarding effect on flash memory when one starts removing individual pictures as the card fills up and one needs to make room for new pictures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alec_myers Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 I don't think your characterisation of fragmentation on a hard drive is correct; it's not that space is lost - a block of storage is a block of storage is a block of storage, after all. It's that by fragmenting a file into small discontinuous chunks the drive head has to move around a lot while reading the file, which slows the read process. That being the case, seeing as flash cards are solid state and any area can be accessed as quickly as any other, I can't see why fragmentation should be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven_clark Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 In fact fragmentation is essentially ignored in favor of wear-balancing the sectors of the drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Ingold Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Most CF cards are formated FAT16 or FAT32, and fragmentation is an issue due to the large sector size and inefficient FAT algorithms. Not all image files are the same size, plus there are various directories created and used by the camera. At best, fragmentation will make writing image files slower. At worst, the files may be corrupted. The correct procedure is to format the card in the camera after all of the images have been properly transferred and backed up. All the image files can then be stored head to tail, efficiently. There is no wear on an hard disk surface because the head floats on a thin layer of air dragged by the rotating surface. If the head ever touches the rotating surface, know has an "head crash", both the head and disk are destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly_flanigan1 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 One can defrag ones cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Ingold Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Defrag + Format = Format Defragging is a waste of time. The CF card is for shooting, not storing snapshots. You need a computer to defrag the card - why not just download the images, back them up and be done with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alec_myers Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 "In fact fragmentation is essentially ignored in favor of wear-balancing the sectors of the drive." I wonder if Steve meant wear-balancing the flash-card - see for instance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wear_levelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainer_t Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 -- "My question is: does one get a checkerboarding effect on flash memory when one starts removing individual pictures as the card fills up and one needs to make room for new pictures?" Yes. Albeit the technical term generally used for this is "fragmentation". Try to avoid to delete individual images (usually while viewing them in camera). Not deleting them helps recovery software to recover images properly. Whenever you have copied the images to a computer and have backed up them ... then format the card "in-camera" before you use it again. (This is better and faster than deleting all images in-computer). With this procedure any worries about fragmentation belong to the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
my Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Completely agree with Rainer. Defrag a flash drive is pointless because it is not intended as a long term storage solution, just format it before every shooting session and try not to delete photos on it while shooting as this will make files more difficult to recover is something goes wrong with the card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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