conor_hehir Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 A publisher wants to use 2 of my photos for a travel book about Tokyo. They have asked me to send an invoice for $30/photo. According to my quick research, the price should be in the $200 range (worldwide, 10-50,000 print run, 1/4 page). I don't really care about the money, but don't like being taken advantage of. Is this just a negotiation opening gambit? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
art_haykin Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Even at $300, you'd be lowballing. Tell 'em to go to Hell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulr Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 "I don't really care about the money" Photographers that make their living from travel and other editorial work do. That is just one reason why you should not accept anything below the "going rate". Also watch out for exclusive rights to the photographs. ASMP web site may be of some help to establish pricing and copyright. http://www.asmp.org/commerce/business.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conor_hehir Posted April 17, 2007 Author Share Posted April 17, 2007 Thanks for the link Paul. And good point about preserving the price level for people who rely on it for a living. The size and print run I mentioned are just guesses. In her email she just said, " We've selected two of your photos. Send an invoice for $30/photo (that's our house rate). She didn't say how they'd be used. I've written the publisher requesting info on how the pics will be used. It would be satisfying to tell her to go to hell, but more satisfying seeing my pics in the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mendonphoto Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 I definitely don't think you should accept $30 a photo for a book - that's just dumb. On the other hand, I don't buy into the dogma that says that we all owe it to the "professional" photographer to keep photo prices high so that a few people can continue to make a living doing something that the rest of us are happy to at our own expense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 <i>Photographers that make their living from travel and other editorial work do. That is just one reason why you should not accept anything below the "going rate".</i><p> Then it's up to them to make sure their work is worth paying more for. Music and Portraits Blog: Life in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregory_roush Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 I recommend John Harrington's book on business practices for photographers. He covers many such situations, with actual correspondence showing the back-and-forth of these negotiations. Really good reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullmetalphotograper Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 If it was me the answer would be no, but I make my living off of photography. If you feel it is fair then do it. I would defiantly negotiate. A local paper stateside you would get $75 per image if you were hired freelance, or at least $75 per hour. Remember there is always more publications out there. If feel good about the deal then do it. Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_Tardio Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 I'd suggest you counter-offer by asking for $100.00 for both images. I sell many travel pictures and this is a fair amount to ask. <p> Sure, there are those that can command a higher fee, but that doesn't do you any good. If they don't buy from you, they will buy from another photographer for the same price. If they wanted to pay a higher price, they wouldn't even be talking to you. <p> I also think along the same lines as Aaron & Jeff. Pros have to adjust to the changing climate of the photography market. Sink or swim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erika_gunselman Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 Always set your prices higher and then negotiate lower - you give them te price you are worth if you give them a low price that will be the price you are known for. If you give them a hgh price they'll think that you are probably the shit and you will known for your high prices which sets your respect level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newberry Posted April 19, 2007 Share Posted April 19, 2007 I second the recommendation for the Harrington book. Other good sources for pricing/business info: editorialphoto.com and Fotoquote software . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony johns Posted April 19, 2007 Share Posted April 19, 2007 Ya, that's low. It's not like your selling her the photos but more the rights to the photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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