elia_freddi Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 I'm considering to make some IR photos and I discarded the Kodak HIE because of the grainy look - I tried it few years ago and the results were not so bad, but the grain was by far too evident to my eyes. Looking around I found that the only available alternative to HIE is the Rollei IR820/400 (I found a roll of Maco IR820/400 that most likely is the same). Searching in the webpage of Maco there is a film for traffic surveillance called TS EAGLE that has the same spectral response curve, so I guess that it's the same. This film should be produced at Agfa Gevaert, but there is no mention of something similar in their webpage. Anyway, now my point is: what are the IR film available? So far: - Kodak HIE - Rollei IR820/400 and then? Elia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willscarlett Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 I really think that might be it. Konica used to make an IR film but that's been discontinued. J&C Photo should be back up and running by January 15 and I know they sell IR film as well, I just can't remember which kind, so check them out when they're back up - www.jandcphoto.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotohuis RoVo Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Yes, the Rollei IR 820/400 is produced by Gevaert in Belgium. Great I.R. film and fine grain WITH A.H. layer. Use it with a RG 695nm or RG 715nmm I.R. (black) filter. http://www.fotohuisrovo.nl/documentatie/RolleiIR-400.pdf dev. times: http://www.fotohuisrovo.nl/documentatie/Development_Rollei%20films.pdf and some examples: http://gallery.fotohuisrovo.nl/thumbnails.php?album=2 E.I. with mentioned filters: iso 12-25 depending on the amount of I.R. light. You can load and unload this Rollei I.R. film in very subdue light. Best regards, Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbon_dragon Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 The grain of Kodak HIE depends on where on the "curve" you expose the film (whether you underexpose, overexpose, or whatever). It's only when it's grossly underexposed that it is incredibly grainy (and exposure calculation is tricky anyway). Konica used to be less grainy though if it's still being made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_earussi1 Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 I've been playing with the Rollie film myself. Still haven't quite figured out the proper combination of exposure, developer, development time and paper to get the look I'm wanting, but I did figure out a reliable way to get a consistant exposure. I bought an old Luna Pro and taped a piece of 89B gel filter over it and then shot a calbration roll. So far, it seems to work pretty well. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willscarlett Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Robert, how does the Rollei IR look when you develop it in D76? I've done the Pan 25 in it and it come out well...or does it give too much contrast with IR film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotohuis RoVo Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Rollei IR 820/400 works also well with the D76 times. Even Rodinal 1+25 is possible when starting at the Rodinal - Agfa APX400 times. The 'trick' is the right filter. Looking at the curve you can see the sensitivity is going down fast over 750nm so 695nm or 715nm is the best, a Cokin I.R. (720nm) or the Hoya 72R (both 720nm) is in fact the max. you can use. And UNDER 665nm you will not have any 'wood' effect. The SFX filter (Ilford) you can also use. Rollei IR 820/400 is available in 35mm, 120 roll film and 4X5" sheet film. At the moment we have the best prices in Europe also due to the higher German VAT up from 1.1.2007. An interesting German article about this nice I.R. film: http://www.fotohuisrovo.nl/documentatie/Rollei%20IR%20FAF%203-06(0).pdf Best regards, Robert http://www.FotohuisRoVo.nl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willscarlett Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Thanks, Robert...one more quick question about IR films. I have a Nikon 8008 and a Canon AE-1 Program. Are either suitable to shoot IR with? I know with IR you really have to watch out for light leaks and camera sensors that determine film speed and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotohuis RoVo Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 I.R. LED sensors for transport and/or film detection can be a problem. Rollei IR 820/400 can be used with allmost all cameras due to the fact the sensitivity is much lower over 750nm. Maco I.R.820C, also 820nm is already much more sensitive. The Kodak HIE is extreme sensitive for those things and sensitive till over 900 nm. That's why you have already some 'wood' effect with this last film with a RED filter. (Depending on the I.R. circumstances of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elia_freddi Posted January 6, 2007 Author Share Posted January 6, 2007 Thanks a lot for all your answers. So, as I suspected, there are only those two IR film, nothing else is currently available on the market. That's a pity. Moreover, knowing how big interest has Kodak in film production I would not be surprised if soon o later only one will be left...<br> Best regards <br> <br> Elia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotohuis RoVo Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Correct. HIE (Kodak) is available in 35mm only. And the question is : For how long? The Rollei 820/400 is produced by Gevaert, the former R&D lab for Agfa. They are making all kind of special films. Not cheap but good quality. But in fact these kind of films were never a real bargain :) Our NEW Rollei prices: http://shop.fotohuisrovo.nl/specials.php?osCsid=997b34bcdf7ebc4c25fc645054a26087 Best regards, Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian_wilson6 Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 Try These .... http://www.freestylephoto.biz/sc_main.php?cat_id=405 Cheers, Adrian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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