pippa_zc Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 i have an eos300D and have recently purcheased a 5D which i have not started to use yet because my 24-70 lens has not arrived yet. should do next week. i do not like to use flash and i try to use available light. the problem is that when it is cloudy and not enough light comes in through a window or there is NO window at all, and beacause most indoor lights are yellowish, the result is a yellowish photo. is there anyone out there that can tell me what to do to get a more natural looking photo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v.anisimov Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Read the manual on "White Balance" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnhoff Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 You could try to adjust white balance in camera. The more convenient way is to shoot RAW, you can adjust WB very easily e.g. using two sliders in Camera RAW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayhai Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Raw is great to change the color temp. If you dont like to shoot raw, you can play with the white balance in the camera, or photoshop image> adjustments> variations can get rid of color cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjmeade Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Hello Pippa, as the others said, RAW will give you the ability to change the white balance on your computer. It will give you a lot more data to play with than shooting jpg. You should also be able to change the white balance in-camera too. On the 20D, you just flip through the options untill the lightbulb icon is visible, and that will give you a bllue-ish tint that will counteract the yellow of tungsten light. Hope this helps. P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burachan40 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Didn't Photoshop Elements 2 come with the 300D? If not, download Canon's Digital Photo Professional 2.0 here: http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?act=DownloadIndexAct or here: http://alpha03.c-wss.com/inc/ApplServlet?SV=WWUCA900 This program does killer RAW conversions and is pretty powerfull when adjusting JPEGs. It has a tool that adjusts white balance by clicking on something either white or black in the picture and wala, everything is no longer yellow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conraderb Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Spend more time reading about 'White Balance'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitmstr Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 >>most indoor lights are yellowish, the result is a yellowish photo.<< This is not different than film. Have you ever used daylight film with indoor, *tungsten* lights? It will produce the same results. Every light source (from the Sun to your common household light bulbs) has a *color temperature* which is indicated in degrees Kelvin. As a rule of thumb: Daylight = 5400K Tungsten = 3200K Where *K* means Kelvin. In the past, when sooting film, you'd have two *basic* choices: DAYLIGHT film or TUNGSTEN film. You would then use CC filters to adjust as needed. With digital you can manually set your camera to various factory pre-sets (outdoor, indoor, flash, etc...). Some DSRL (like your 5D) also allow to MANUALLY set the actually K VALUE (the numner). This will give you moire precise control over the final look of the image. Sometimes, a warmer or cooler look my be more desirable than a neutrally balanced color. I suggest a book on photography in general and color in particular. But, if you want to go the fast route search GOOGLE for Color Temperature Chart. Donwload and PRINT the chart and then, hang it somwhere in your house where you can see it often. You'll have the various temperatures memorized in no time at all. It iwll also give an understanding of what the numbers mean (and how they work) in relation to each light source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenPapai Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 $5,000+ worth of equipment and white balance is news to you? <p> <a href="http://www.photo.net/learn/making-photographs/light">LEARN about light</a>. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santa1 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 at least I am thankful the post didn't start with " I am going to shoot my first professional wedding and have one question.... ".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippa_zc Posted March 8, 2006 Author Share Posted March 8, 2006 thanks guys for this very useful info. you're right ken, i should know more about white balance. thanks giampi, will use info you gave me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phule Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 <<$5,000+ worth of equipment and white balance is news to you?>> I don't see the connection between retail value of a camera and understanding the fundamentals of photography. All you need to purchase a 5D is money. You don't need to be a professional, you don't need to prove yourself a competant photographer, all you need is money. There is no law, no "cred" no "paying of dues" needed in order to buy a camera. And while it may gall you (and other people in this thread) that someone who doesn't understand WB can afford a 5D, there is zero connection between the two. If you're this upset by a single 5D purchase, what must it be like to be near you when you see something like a Ferrari drive by? I expect foaming at the mouth isn't out of the question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_dzambic Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 If you haven't been shooting RAW, you could try adding some blue to your existing photos to try and reduce the yellowish cast as well. But it's still better to shoot RAW in the first place. Even if you're going to shoot jpg you can still do some pretty good correcting if you have a piece of white paper in one of the frames, or better yet something neutral like a WhiBal or a grey card. If you have Photoshop, you can then use the neutral eyedropper in the Levels command, click on the white/gray object, and SAVE the resulting correction. Then, when you load the next picture shot in the same light without the grey/white object in it, you can go back to Levels and LOAD the curve you just saved, and the same correction will be applied to that image. Shooting RAW isn't an absolute requirement, but it is more flexible than jpg for correcting colour casts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenPapai Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 It doesn't gall me at all but it doesn't hurt to make a subtle connection between a pricey camera and zero knowlege of the tool. I am not a politically correct person and aspire to never achieve that mellow yellow, hippy dippy balance. In the same regard I'd rather be yelled at by someone with ten times my knowledge than mothered gently along in learning something. A sharp crack to the skull educates someone much quicker than a hand-holding exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phule Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 <<but it doesn't hurt to make a subtle connection between a pricey camera and zero knowlege of the tool.>> There is absolutely no connection. Your holier-than-thou response and over-developed sense of superiority may want there to be, but there isn't. What tools you buy and what you can do with those tools are completely independent from each other. <<A sharp crack to the skull educates someone much quicker than a hand-holding exercise.>> Provide proof of that statement. Any peer-reviewed educational study would be fine. No one asked for hand-holding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v.anisimov Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 "...All you need to purchase a 5D is money..." So true. Maybe the orginal post was from Paris Hilton? ;~) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mas-lee Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 If you process your picture with Adobe Photoshop 7 or higher use the auto adjustments under imag, it will improve your quality and get rid of the off color problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippa_zc Posted March 12, 2006 Author Share Posted March 12, 2006 paris hilton? i wish. i'd be buying more than a 5D beleive me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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