Demise of Greenspun.Com Immanent

[toan_nguyen2]

Where are we going to go if the forum will be shut down? What about photo.net ?

[ray_moth]

What makes you think the forum is going to be closed soon?

[paul_nelson2]

Philip Greenspun has notified me that the demise of Greenspun.Com is

immanent. I do not have a shut down date at this time. Philip has

suggested that I contact Photo.Net and have all our accounts and

archives transferred there. I have sent Photo.Net a letter requesting

just that and will post further information as I receive it.

Apparently, this has to do with the implosion of Philip's company,

ArsDigita, after being taken over by a bunch of venture capitalists

who don't know shit about software. See

http://www.waxy.org/random/arsdigita/.

 

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-- Ed Buffaloe (uneye@hotmail.com), December 06, 2001

 

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Picked this up over on B & W net. paul nelson

[frank_horn]

Leica-Camera also has a forum, which I visited a couple nights ago.

It did not seem as user-friendly as this forum. I did not make a

post there, but I did see a couple familiar names from this one.

Perhaps they might compare it with this one for us. I've tried to

download info from Leica"s site. It is in PDF form and though I am

told that I am supposed to be able to download that PDF stuff, I have

yet to be successful at doing so. I have Adobe Acrobat, but when I

try the PDF stuff, I get a flashing window that shuts me down. All I

can do is use the button on the tower to shut off the computer. When

I turn it back on, it has to scan itself for a couple minutes and I

get a message telling me to use the proper method to shut down!

Duh...

[andrew_schank]

Apparantly this is not just a rumor. Has Tony been contacted about

it? Is there any deadline set for when greenspun.com will be off line?

[ralph_barker]

There may be another alternative that would not subject participants

to the same sort of "harvesting" by marketeers that often accompanies

the more commercially-motivated portals.

 

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I've made the gentleman who runs the alternative site aware of the

potential situation with Greenspun to see he might be interested in

hosting some of the photography-related forums. If there's an

interest, I'll get him in touch with Tony.

[Niels - NHSN]

I moderate 2 LUSENET fora, but have heard nothing of this. In the Ask

Philip forum we are <a href="http://philip.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-

a-fetch-msg?msg_id=000taC&topic_id=22&topic=Ask%20Philip">discussing

the future of the free services</a> and Philip has some suggestions.

Please take a look.

[msitaraman]

Niels,

 

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Read this thread in the LF forum

 

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http://hv.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=007HYj

 

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Tony, its probably time to drop Phil Greenspun an email. Who knows,

maybe there is a home there. In any case he will be able to speak to

the technical issues and future better than most of us.

[terry_dvorak]

As Mani notes, the large-format forum (a couple of ticks up from Leica

at www.greenspun/bboard) has been debating its future for the past

couple of days, after Phil G. notified that forum's host that its days

are numbered.

 

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I buzzed right over here to this forum after the LF homepage's host

announced the impending change and was surprised to see no discussion

of this forum's future until Toan's posting of this thread.

 

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P.S. I would say the demise is "imminent," not "immanent" (if it were

the latter, the truly insightful would have seen it coming).

 

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[david_seaman1]

Hello All,

There is another site which may proove to be an alternative, if only

as an interim measure. At least it may keep us all in contact with

each other until something more permanent can be arranged.

It is a MSN site at:-

http://communities.msn.com/leicausers/messageboard.msnw

[MTC Photography]

That is why I suggested set up a shadow site at yahoogroups

[michael_darnton1]

My two cents: the MSN forum was FAR too slow loading for me to

tolerate the last time I tried it before giving up completely; I

prefer Topica's interface to Yahoo's, myself. I have participated for

a couple of years on both sites, and have never had any problem

whatsoever with spam from either.

[craig_zeni]

Delphi.com has a reasonable interface, runs fairly fast and has been reliable in the one forum that I use...advertisement supported, have not noticed an increase in spam since I started using the Kiev forum over there a while back.

[luther_berry]

Tony,

 

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Is there any basis to this rumor? Are there plans to shut down

this forum in the near future? Please investigate and give us the

facts. Thanks. LB

[tony_rowlett2]

I have been contacted by Philip Greenspun, and he has made the same

proposal to me as he did to the B&W forum.<p>

As sad as it is to see greenspun.com go away, this switch will

mean benefits for us and me here. First of all, if this were to

happen (which I'm not sure of yet) our forum will be searchable just

like photo.net is now. Also, forum participants will have

photo.net accounts with passwords. The forum bombarders will be

easier to deal with. As I receive more information, I will pass it on

here. Philip did tell me that our forum is important and that it

should live on.

[roberto_watson_garc_a]

how ever it goes, we are a solid comunity and I belive we have in

Tony a great administadorand friend, as he says it can bring goods

too; just lets keep in touch.

 

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And one good advice, Christmass is coming and a lot of us will go out

and probably out of touch too, so be prepare to keep in touch when

return.

 

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Cheerss and apologies for spealing.

[tony_rowlett2]

I haven't been told the time when the greenspun.com server will be

shut down. Right now, though, I'm feeling very lucky that our

Leica forum is being considered for assimilation by the photo.net

system.

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When more information comes in, I will start a new thread under

Administration and post the info there.

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No matter the changes, I will do my best to assist our participants

when necessary. Please don't run off!

[andrew n.bra hrefhttp]

Isn't it just the case? You finally find a Leica forum which is

reasonably on-topic and which has a topic-by-topic design so that you

can easily skip over the ding-bats and Grandpa Simpsons, and what

happens, it gets shut down! Grrrr. Hope it doesn't happen soon.<P>

 

An alternative to finding another www-based host would be to start a

<B>moderated</B> mailing list. Trick is though to find a (retired?

academic?) list-mum who would be prepared to spend approx 90 minutes a

day to cull submissions and keep everything on-topic and focused.

I tried my hand at it a few months ago, but I've got a business to run,

photos to take etc so had to kill the thing at birth.

[alfie wang]

It would be sad to see this forum begone. I would hope that LUSENET

continues on despite the challenges.

 

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Alfie

[tom5]

This is sad. Usually I can take or leave these sorts of forums but, as

a new M6 owner, I've found a LOT of good advice here for my M purchase

and for servicing of LTM cameras.

[luther_berry]

Tony,

 

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Thanks for the reply but that was NOT the answer I hoped to get!

This forum has been very informative. It has helped me to develop a

better understanding of Leica cameras and lenses. Has also made me

more aware of limitations in my present skills and encouraged me to

improve my photographic vision. I hope the forum can continue! LB

[tony_rowlett2]

I'm not forseeing any disadvantages. Philip said that all of our

archived messages (22,000+ postings so far) will move along with us.

So besides having to log in with email addresses and passwords, I see

no problems. Also, once you log in with your normal PC(s), if you

allow cookies, then you won't have to supply your email/password every

time you visit the forum. Only when you use the forum using a new

machine will that be required.

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We are one of a <u>very few</u> number of LUSENET forums that is being

considered for continued existence. I sure hope that THAT comes as

good news to everyone! :-)

[gerald_widen]

Tony, thats good news. We have a good group of folks here. I just hope

we get enough warning or get a link when this site is closed directing

us to the proper place at photo.net

[kens]

Among the criteria for sites that will be continued are probably the

growth patterns, hits, and participation numbers. Potential sponsors

want "sets of eyes" on their investment. The more the better. To all

out there (and *especially* those who visit but rarely contribute)

visit often, contribute, make sponsors aware that the site is worthy

of continuation by its level of high participation. In the immortal

words of Chicago politics...

 

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...VOTE EARLY...VOTE OFTEN.

[andy_piper2]

My condolences to everyone at Greenspun.com/LUSENET. I take it the

barbarians got INSIDE the gates this time.

 

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Thanks to all of them for the support and job they've done. i just hope

our new home (if any) lives up to their standards.