saddleboy Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Since january 4 th i've post 8 photos, which atracted 47 000 views, 89 ratings for an average somewhere around 5.something and out of all that, ONLY 14 comments. 14 comments out of 47 000 views.... thats 1 out of 3357.14 viewers who dare leaving a comment. What should i understand? am'i the only one? ever wonder why many peoples are tempted to join a mate rates club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholasprice Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Pascal, don't complain, I'm lucky if I get that many views and ratings in 12 months! ...I shall run post haste to your portfolio and start commenting! LOL N Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afs760bf Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 You are not alone, Pascal. But for most of us, visibility is limited to the approximately four minutes that our photo is on the gallery page after being submitted for critique. Then it goes to the rate recent queue, where people rush by it and may leave a rating, but don't usually leave a comment. That's life on Pnet these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reprint Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Pascal, seems to me the system works against comments even more so than before. Anonymous ratings are what count for TRP so it would take a diligent person to leave an anonymous rating and a comment. Furthermore those that are most interested in a particular type of photo (category) are penalized as their anonymous rating doesnt count towards TRP. It has left an even wider gap between those chasing TRP and those motivated to gain insights into improving their photos and little to no middle ground. The critique only category was supposed to address the needs of the latter group but i dont think that has been very successful. Maybe take a leaf out of the mate raters book. Form your own group of people who exchange comments and tips on each others photos. I dont know if they still exist but one group was even setting assignments and submitting critiques. Submitting a photo for rating and critique has been a very poor way to get comments or tips on improving photos. I think the forums are much more useful for that though you are not supposed to ask for specific critiques. TRP is what gets people in the door. TRP is not what will keep you here most likely and i bet neither will submitting photos for critique. Perhaps the site should encourage critique only groups (e.g. based on category) as a way to sustain membership longer term. Nothing too burdensome but sufficient infrastructure to encourage and support such groups. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael R Freeman Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Since Jan 4th I have posted 14 photos with 35,000 views. I have only received 8 comments. Please direct me to the on-line complaint form so that I may express my moral outrage. ;-) ;-) Seriously - get over it. Bear in mind that, unless I am mistaken, the vast majority of those "views" are probably thumbnail views. 47,000 people have not viewed your full size photo. Since January 4th, THOUSANDS of other photonetters have also uploaded photos. The majority probably received very few comments. Join a mate rate club if you want to, although I don't know what you or anyone else will get from participating in said "club", other than an ego boost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david robinson Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 In that same time you have commented on the works of 8 other photographers. What do you expect? Perhaps you think your work is so extraordinary that the rest of us should be overcome in gratitude for giving us the opportunity to tell you how great you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bens Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Pascal, I have also noticed that feedback, whether it is ratings or comments, seems to be slower and less frequent than say, a year ago. Having said that, the only way that I have found I can get meaningful feedback is to give it, particularly in ways that encourage dialogues with people interested in going back and forth about our different photos. You've given three times as many ratings as you have comments. I suggest just commenting (including responding to eveyrone who leaves you feedback, checking back and following up when someone responds to your comments, looking to comment on the work of people who themselves leave a lot of comments, commenting in categories that you also post in) for a long while and see what happens. Althought it may not be enough, my guess is that it will improve things for you. As an example, leave 5 comments every time you visit the site and see if things improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevemarcus Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Pascal, as far as I can see, you seem to have commented on 9 different photos by 8 different photographers (besides yourself) since Jan. 4. Therefore, the comments you've received are more than proportionate to the number that you've given. It seems to me that you're actually receiving more comments than you should expect to receive. Is my logic is skewed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen hazelton Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 I'm not sure what counts as a "view". When someone pulls up a page of thumbnails that shows your photo, I think that's counted as a view, whether they actually pull up your photo specifically or not. So it's not like 3357 people scrutinized your photo and 1 commented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seven Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 47000 views? What's left to say, you're popular! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seven Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 (But I'll be over soon to take a peek.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James G. Dainis Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 How long would it take you to read 47,000 comments? James G. Dainis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddleboy Posted January 26, 2006 Author Share Posted January 26, 2006 I joined Pnet in 2004, at the time i was totaly new to photography and of course believe it or not, i was an even worst photographer than i'm today. Most of my photo posted then received significantly more comments then they do today and peoples where giving generous comments and tips on how to improve my skill. Now, i think i've reach the status of' lets say' "average" photographer and i no longer receive comments... still i need to improve, believe me. Steve, i understand your point but this alone is a debate in itself, personaly, i don't want to get involved in a "kiss my butt if you want me to kiss your's in return" kind of system. I was not very active lately for many reasons but i'm often a lot more pro-active than now. My post is not realy a complaint but a serious questioning about what happened between then and now ? I understyand that 47000 views is not really 47000 views but i never received that many in such a short time and the counting system is the same i think than the one they where using back in the days when i was receiving 1500 -2000 views per images and 5 - 10 comments most of the times.... I'm not planing to change the way i comment or rate, i'm not giving much so, i'm not expecting much from others in return. I'm here for fun and to see quality work and i'm well served. I enjoy every minutes i spend here but let's face it, something have change over the last 2 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geu4king Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 Hi Pascal - you think that's bad... In late 2005, I had one photo that had 11 ratings (av. 5.5), 200,000 views in one month AND no comments! I still scratching my head on that one. (this was not a nude). Anyway, good shooting. Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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