guy_mancuso Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 I admit i shot all the Canons and the Kodak 760 but i have not shot the newer Nikons but from what i have seen is they do look good. Glad Nikon is caught up it's been a long time for me using there DSLR's . anyway i don't want to get into the Dig vs Film debate it is pointless . if you need or want one or the other than that is what you need to work. Also film is different giving different emulsions and speed , so really it is a hard comparsion to do but mostly we do compare the 2 for some reason as photographers. Point shown many times here on this forum, I will never shoot digital and just be happy with my love for silver. Hey that is great do what strokes your jets but there is room for both and we still say to this day mostly the guys that shot film for years is compare it back to what we did years ago, which is fine. But it is different, what i like about this setup more than anything is how the files look and for me it reminds me of days of Kodachrome. I loved that film. Anyway don't want to take away any further from the thread so i will just leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Careful Nels, or I'll shove that JPG up yer TIFF :P Okay, back to Leica and Leica only, shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nels Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 "Glad Nikon is caught up..." Since when did 1.5x crop "catch up" with full frame? Must be according to Nikon marketing BS "cropped sensor apologist" machine. Come on Guy, don't quit on us. Hang in there. We're just getting warmed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 what's the point of having full frame when you don't have a wide angle to use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nels Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 "what's the point of having full frame when you don't have a wide angle to use?" What's the point of having wide angle when you got cropped sensor? Tag, you're it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 What's the point of having any lenses at all when the skin tones look like plastic? Besides, Nikon has great wides, so great in fact that the best DOP's in the industry use them on their cine cams instead of Cooke and Panavison. The 12-24 is great zoom too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan_brittenson Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Enjoy Ellis, the DMR is ridiculously easy to crank out high-quality imagery with. Nothing left to blame but the eye behind the camera. :) <p> <center> <img src="http://www.rockgarden.net/download/L1100062-700.jpg" border="0"> <br><i>DMR and Super-Elmarit 15, CaptureOne, JH Chrome 100 +12</i></center> <p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nels Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 "What's the point of having any lenses at all when the skin tones look like plastic?" Those thousands of pro photogs who make a living using Canon must be accomplished at fooling everyone. Or the editors and art directors must love the plastic look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Nikon files certainly didn't result in the term being coined. Petey, you'll blow yer top with this one, check it out, (sorry Nels, Canon no play here) http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B8B6F/GraphikTitelIntern/07/$File/07.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nels Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Nikon needs all the help they can get to continue to be #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 yeah, maybe they should go into the photo copier biz too so they can loss lead in their cam's r&d (c'mon Nels, bring up the high iso issue and put the dagger in me and spare everyone) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nels Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 "(c'mon Nels, bring up the high iso issue and put the dagger in me and spare everyone)" (I was going to, but was afraid I would have to explain what high iso is to a nikon user) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 lol, but no explaining needed to those with the best af and ttl...and heck, ttl flash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nels Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 but you need flash, 'cos you can't shoot high iso to begin with.:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msitaraman Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 A Nikon-Canon flamewar in the Leica forum??!! Tony Rowlett, where are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vivek iyer Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 It is a one sided campaign by those who don't know where to find the EOS forum. :-) Nels, This is not the Canon EOS forum. It is located elsewhere :-) :-) :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmoore Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 to get back to the earlier point about the relationship between film and digital..I think we have to compare them, yes they are different but my clients, and myself for that matter were accustomed to seeing photos as film..my desire when switching to digital was to tweak the raw digital to look like film..the fidelity that film gives you out of the can can be achieved with the dmr and then some..I have no experience with canon so will not make any effort to bash it..I do think because canon was first to market big megapixel cameras the press shooters jumped on it, they were also ahead of nikon on the telephoto af front.. again, the press pros, not limited with hobby budgets jumped on it.. I know many guys who switched to canon during this early digital stage.. the dumbing down of the "film asthetics" was due to the lack of good post work on canon and nikon digital..and boy do they need it. we as viewers have been slowing boiled in the mediocre digital pot, likewise more and more viewing of all images is done on these low res screens we look at. I think photographers like myself relish beautiful image fidelity which is gained via the dmr package of optics, sensor and software. At the level of work I want to compete, digital is the only choice. I have no professional need for AF, I need high speed lenses which perform at maximum apeture. I want my small camera work to dovetail seamlessly with my MF digital work. I don't need a 35mm to try to be a MF view camera..I think there is a misnomer out there that all professionals have to have AF + VR..there is huge spectrum of work that does not require this technique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewlamb Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 When clients ask me for digital I shoot with the EOS 5D and, thus far, I haven't received any complaints. Having said that, from what I've seen, DMR images do have a very nice look to them that I personally prefer. Kudos to Leica for producing this. My reluctance to buy into the Leica system stems from the fact that it doesn't seem that long ago when they weren't even capable of producing a motor drive for the R8 when it first came out. I owned two R8s when they were first introduced and both of them died very quickly and they weren't cheap. So, when it came to the need to buy digital, Canon seemed a cheaper and safer option. That's a pity 'cause the DMR looks very appealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografz Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Ellis, DMR's not an end-all, but not incompetent either. We all have to keep in mind that the unit was designed for R users, so the lack of AF and other considerations was a decision already made prior to the addition of digital. The test for me is using any camera for real work in the real world, not compressed jpgs or 300% screen views ... my clients buy neither. Prints, and how easy it is to get good ones with good skin tones and color from a any given camera is the test ... because I primarily shoot people in hectic conditions. Anyway, nice to see a balanced initial report neither defending a purchase decision nor unduly Leicaphobic. Looking forward to your considered opinion.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmoore Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 marc, would you have any use for a 135mm f2 lens...I think this would be a killer combo on the dmr..focus to 2 ft.. that is on my wish list. there is a big gap from 90 to 180. I think the m users would go for it as well - that focal length has been ignored in these modern times.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprouty Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 After Marc's image I've suddenly forgot what you all were talking about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin m. Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 I could tell your shot was digital capture even without the caption, Marc. Just look at how plasticy her cleavage is! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brambor Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Eric, I think Wallace and Grommit was done with Canon lenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografz Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 No plastic there Kevin. Beautiful, all natural midwest woman that was a nice as can be. Wonderful personality, super intelligent, and good looking ... sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Kevin, have you heard from Tony's attorney yet? Hahahaha... www.citysnaps.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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