juan_su Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 Hi everyone, I just bought a CIS for my Epson R200. I find the colors good compared to the real Epson inks, but when I print with Kodak Premium High Gloss paper, I find the print out to be easily smudged as if the ink almost doesn't stick completely to the paper. I don't know if this a problem with the ink or with the paper. Anyway, if I use a spray, would that give it enough protection? If so what kind should I get and what should I expect to spend? What do you suggest? I'm actually charging a client for these print out. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtk Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 You might want to use Epson pigments, rather than transient CIS inks, especially since the CIS isn't working on your choice of paper. And why not use better paper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kahn Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 Try a matte paper. I think you'll get better results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryg Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 Premier Art Print Shield would be preferable... but i've also heard of Krylon PreserveIT!... and i'm testing Krylon Kamar Varnish now.. seems to be ok.. but don't know for sure yet.. seems to work good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryg Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 forgot to add... make sure you let the inks dry good before ya spray it... the solvents in the ink need to completely evaporate before ya spray... giver at least an overnite dry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juan_su Posted October 3, 2005 Author Share Posted October 3, 2005 Thanks for the suggestions, I wanted to use premium glossy paper since I'm printing 4x5 pictures of interior photography. I like that extra shiny to show the detail. But I was also thinking about the ink drying time. What brand/type of paper would you guys recommend for this kind of work. I was just testing this paper because I was able to pick up a pack of 100 from Costco and found that to be much cheaper than other stores that give me only 20 sheets for the same price. Perhaps it's what I get for what I paid for... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patricklavoie Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 Best advise tonight. Use Epson ink, Epson paper....with your Epson printer. The print will be nice, no ink smudged, no problem. As for the spray, i dont think you will need it anymore, but in case if you live in Canada, try INKJET FIX from Geppe, or if youare in the US, try Premiere Art Print Shield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juan_su Posted October 4, 2005 Author Share Posted October 4, 2005 thanks for your suggestions people. Actually letting it air out for a longer period of time is helping. I noticed that it doesn't do it with differet papers. It's probably just the Kodak Paper. thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constance_cook Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 I've used several different sprays on many types of papers over the past 5 years. I have had no problem with clumping. The only time I had a problem was when I put my pics outside (I always do) to spray them in a stiff breeze and the spray ran before it set. That lesson learned, I've never had problems again. It is important to spray from the distance listed on the lable. Spray too close leads to uneven distribution of the product. Conni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulrich_michel Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 An aftermarket ink supplier at an computer show used clear hair spray to spray over color pictures for protection against moisture and smudges. I have never used this trick, but seen other use it success fully. Proper distance and fast movement seems to be important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffOwen Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 The main problem I have found is when using Kodak glossy paper the black inked areas seem to take an age to dry. This becomes particularly noticable when mounting the photo behind glass or plastic. The black areas stick to the glass and get a glaze of their own. This can occur even when the ink jet print has been allowed to 'dry' for several days! Using matt paper is a cure, I have never used a surface spray, perhaps I should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amul Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 IMHO, if your prints don't dry in 30 minutes, then your print density is too high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constance_cook Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 Amul: Not true. It depends on the humidity where you do your printing. Drying time here in Chicago changes with the seasons and within seasons based on humidity. And air circulation can affect drying time as well. Conni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juan_su Posted October 4, 2005 Author Share Posted October 4, 2005 Jeff Owen , oct 04, 2005; 12:11 p.m. The main problem I have found is when using Kodak glossy paper the black inked areas seem to take an age to dry. This becomes particularly noticable when mounting the photo behind glass or plastic. The black areas stick to the glass and get a glaze of their own. This can occur even when the ink jet print has been allowed to 'dry' for several days! Using matt paper is a cure, I have never used a surface spray, perhaps I should. Jeff, this is very true of what is happening to my prints. Of course I didn't realize that I was supposed to "dry" for that long. I don't see anywhere in the package that tells me how much time should be permitted for the print to dry. I suppose the "density" of the print does have an affect on the time that it would take to dry, but really, how can I control the density if it's the printer that calculates the color mixing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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