jonathan_houser Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Is it possible to replace the lugs on a late model M3 (new lug style)? Could DAG or Sherry do this? If so anyone know how much? thanks! Jonathan- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCL Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Send DAG an E-mail, he usually responds within 24 hrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerry_lehrer Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Jon, The answers to your questions, in order, are: Yes, Yes, and No. The answer to your third question would be best given by DAG or Ms. Krauter. Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Blackwell Images Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 DAG replaced the strap lugs on my M2 about a year ago. I don't recall the exact price of the replacement because he did other things to it as well, but I don't recall it being very much (perhaps $50). As has been suggested, send him an email - dagcam@chorus.net - for exact price and turnaround time. “When you come to a fork in the road, take it ...” – Yogi Berra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill a. Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 I had Sherry go through a +1M SS M3 for me, and one of the things she did was replace the lugs. Don't remember what the overall cost was, or what proportion was the lugs. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason_b. Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 It's more expensive to do only that, as they have to take the guts out of the shell to do it. If you have it done as part of an overhaul, then they have to come out anyway, and therefore getting the lugs done is much cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braden_barclay Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 I have a related question. How would you know when you should replace the lugs? One of my lugs does rotate fairly freely, but I have sent it in to Kindermann twice for service and fixing the lugs has not been brought to my attention. I would assume that if they needed replacing then Kindermann would have one of those times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Blackwell Images Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Branden: Your strap lugs should be a solid fixture of the camera. If they're rotating it means eventually you'll get a light leak. Always point these issues out when your camera goes in for repair. To anser your question, the strap lugs on an M camera should never need to be replaced unless they're lose (like yours are). I only had mine replaced because I was having the camera reconditioned. “When you come to a fork in the road, take it ...” – Yogi Berra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Blackwell Images Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Sorry... Braden. “When you come to a fork in the road, take it ...” – Yogi Berra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braden_barclay Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Bill, Interesting. I never really thought about the possibility of light leaks, but then again as of yet I haven't had any. I was more concerned about the rivet giving out completely and pulling out. I've already dropped my M2 once in the past year and am not really looking to repeat that! Then again, the loose lug is on the cartridge side, not the spool side, if that may make a light leak less likely. I love alliteration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_lai Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Braden, my guess is that Kindermann doesn't replace the lugs unless you ask them. I had my M4 CLA'd there a couple of months ago. One of the lugs was loose and they tightened it, but had I thought of it at the time, I would have asked them to replace both lugs. For a camera that is supposed to be so well built, I can't understand why Leica didn't put steel inserts into the lugs so they don't wear out so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Blackwell Images Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Don Goldberg ("DAG") once told me I would never again carry my M camera with a strap if I had a full appreciation for how little metal was holding that lug in place. Steel strap lugs were one of the very few improvements during the M6 run. The strap lugs were formerly made of brass. “When you come to a fork in the road, take it ...” – Yogi Berra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aizan_sasayama Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 I'm reading up on camera repair. The strap lugs are semi-tubular rivets. To remove them, you have to slide off the body shell, then carefully grind/shear off the crimp from the inside. Then you put in the new ones with a hand rivet squeezer with the right dies. See <a href="http://www.hansonrivet.com/" target="_blank">Hanson Rivet</a>. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_lai Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Bill, do you know if M6 lugs can be retrofitted to the older bodies? I only ask out of curiosity, it'll probably be another 20 years or so before my camera needs another CLA so I won't be looking at changing mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Blackwell Images Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 The new steel lugs are held in with a back-screw. “When you come to a fork in the road, take it ...” – Yogi Berra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Blackwell Images Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 James: Yes, the new style steel lugs will easily replace the old brass ones. Regards, Bill “When you come to a fork in the road, take it ...” – Yogi Berra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan_houser Posted August 2, 2005 Author Share Posted August 2, 2005 See Hanson Rivet. Sorry, the link is 4 posts up. Man that is a CRAZY flash menu. Kind of unusual for a rivit site :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karl_keung Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 I have seen a M4 fitted with lug from M6 or later models. We all know the damge which can be caused by using those early Leitz leather belt, with its steel ring, which Luigi still uses now! The modern Leica nylon belt is very easy to use, and save a whole generation of Leica M from ugly disfiguration. (the next disfiguration is the Leica meter.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochen_S Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Microtools are selling spare lugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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