brambor Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 <img src=http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000067G10.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip_williams Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Aside from the email shenanigans, In the end, if the seller didn't want to ship to Malaysia (or anywhere else for that matter), then that's his/her prerogative. Many people have had sour experiences with particular localities around the world and that often dictates their opinions. Personally, I also would hesitate to ship anything to Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Nigeria, and many, many other countries that have a history of harboring scammers. It's nothing personal, it's just that the behavior of a few spoils the whole barrel. Unless you know the recipient personally, why take the chance? Skip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom leoni Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Glug glug... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piotr_panne Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 A seller can\'t just ship, he has to deliver and you live in the delivery badlands. I wouldn\'t even send a bunch of bananas to some places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob haight Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 This entire matter was covered in the the original sales thread. Shame it has to be rehashed again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andre_harrison Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 If I recall, Torben is the stunningly generous gentleman who, when a forumer of long standing posted to tell of his experiences during Hurrican Katrina, carped that such posts were not appropriate to the Leica forum. <p>Reading his post certainly made me vow not to buy any of the items he so often posted for sale. It certainly doesn't surprise me that someone so obviously mean-spirited and devoid of empathy is the first to accuse others of behaving unfairly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_kaplan1 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Rene, did you shoot that Hendrix photo? I thought that the forum rules were only to post links to other peoples' work if you didn't have permission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brambor Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 hmm. silly me. I have sinned. I apologize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 <center><img src=" http://www.photo.net/bboard-uploads//00CWgr-24104084.jpg "></center> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Fake Hendrix. hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Al, Rene did 'sort of' link to it. If you check properties on the image, it clearly states it is an amazon image... http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000067G10.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brambor Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 I know one thing for sure: Al didn't shoot it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_graham3 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 You can tell because Al's head isn't in the shot :*) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjm photo Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Trevor That guy's playing a left handed guitar....as Hendrix used to play a right handed guitar....upside down...Wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian bastin Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Bass strings at the top, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbie_caswell Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 I shipped once to Canada and it took a month to clear customs. I shipped to South Korea and it cleared customs in a week, while Greece took two months. I've had books take two months or never arrive from the UK. A 90mm Cron arrive from UK and it took about a week. A bronica back took ten days from Russia. I would never sell again worldwide and plan for delays when I make a purchase. If I felt something wasn't on the up and up, I wouldn't ship to Malaysia, or Katmandu for that matter. Ebay, the buyer/seller, and my pristine 120 positive, 1 negative, and 1 lukewarm rating can go to hell. What did you not understand about "I don't want to do business with someone in Malaysia" ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowingsky Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Look at the sheer bulk of that (D?)SLR to the right of "Jimi's" waist. That's why I am always thankful when I pick up an M6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul t Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 While Mr D's morals are suspect as a right-handed Jimi hendrix, his use of Latin seems reasonable... cavete is the plural injunctive. It means beware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_chan4 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Robbie, a seller here in this instance did not wish to ship a Leica-related accessory to this destination. And for his reason. To equate that with a generalised statement of not wanting 'to do business in Malaysia' is probably taking the issue way out of proportion. Do we have anything in common to talk Leica in this forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torben_daltoft Posted July 25, 2006 Author Share Posted July 25, 2006 To quote myself: "This is not rocket science; rather an issue in the cross field between law and ethics: If the item is still available, and a buyer unconditionally accepts a seller?s price and all other conditions stated, the seller is obliged to sell to that buyer!!" I accepted, but he sold to a third party (regardsless of his unconditional announcement of his item!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesrani Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 " I thought that the forum rules were only to post links to other peoples' work if you didn't have permission." The Captain strikes with unerring logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrison_k. Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 "This is not rocket science; rather an issue in the cross field between law and ethics: If the item is still available, and a buyer unconditionally accepts a seller?s price and all other conditions stated, the seller is obliged to sell to that buyer!!" blah blah blah. This is your own personally fluffy rule, remember? No one has to stick to it. Go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsimmons Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 Ah, I love threads like this. My life is actually kind of boring and the evening news is depressing. Only chaotic photo.net posts like this put a smile on my face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_noble Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 Im with you on that one Jim. It's always best to stand up for what you think is right, until you look like a tit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smc_. Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 "This is not rocket science; rather an issue in the cross field between law and ethics: If the item is still available, and a buyer unconditionally accepts a seller?s price and all other conditions stated, the seller is obliged to sell to that buyer!!" Really? I know of no such rule of law or ethics. As far as I'm aware, under American (and English) law an advertisement is *not* treated as an offer by a seller that can become binding once a buyer accepts it. Rather, an advertisement is an *invitation* to potential buyers to make an offer. The seller can decide either to accept or reject a potential buyer's offer. There are exceptions to this general rule, but they don't apply. So, the proper way to think about this situation is that your offer to buy was rejected, not that your acceptance of an offer was rejected. Big difference. So, there's no legal problem here--at least as far of the law of contracts. As for ethics, this is a commercial transaction among (hopefully) competent parties, and there was no sleight of hand on the part of the seller. The seller resold (apparently) at the same price to another buyer. The seller's explanation for refusing to sell to you seems reasonable and was openly communicated. So, please, let's move on. There's nothing to see here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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