New Tri-X

[bobatkins]

<a href="http://kodak.com/cgi-bin/webCatalog.pl?product=KODAK+PROFESSIONAL+TRI-X+400+Film+/+400TX&cc=US&lc=en">Kodak's new Tri-X announcement</a>

[james___]

does this mean 400 pro is improved or iso 320 tri x pan proffessional

has been improved?

[charlie_strack]

Looks like Tri-X Pan is being replaced by Professional Tri-X 400 and

Tri-X Pan Professional is being replaced by Professional Tri-X 320.

[dan_smith]

Now we wait to find out what has actually changed in performance to

see just what The Yellow Godfather meant by "you will notice a change

in processing times."

Tri-X was not broke... why the thought that it needed some kind

of "fixing" for either more dust resistance or change in processing

times?

[how786]

Hi,

My understanding that nothing at all is changing in the film

emulsion. Kodak is moving manufature of Tri-X to a different plant.

The formulae remain identical.

Best,

Howard

[michael_feldman1]

The formula is not identical, because Kodak has said that the

development times will change. Kodak is changing the name, stock

numbers, and packaging of the film. The primary motivation (as stated

in the original but later modified press release) seems to be that is

cheaper to manufacture in the new plant, thus assuring that the new

films will be around for a longer time.

[how786]

The "Professional Division" of Kodak insisted to me on the phone

that the formulae are the same. They said that there could be

some 'slight variation' in development times due to the plant being

moved to a different location causing many new variables. They are

issuing the alert merely as a precaution but do not anticipate there

being any change.

 

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Call Kodak at 800-242-2424 Ext 19

 

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If they are, indeed, lying about this, they'd be quite liable.

Best....Howard

[david_parmet1]

All that is being changed is the manufacturing facility. Kodak

has stated that owing to this change there may be some

changes in development time for some users.

[michael_feldman1]

Whether it's the formula, the different manufacturing process used in

the new plant, or whatever you want to call it, the film is changing.

They aren't changing the packaging, catalog numbers, and film name,

and probably the development times just because they are moving.

 

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The odds of getting someone on the phone at Kodak who actually knows

what is going on (as opposed to repeating what they were told to tell

people who inquire) is infinitesimally small. Corporations don't let

technical people talk to customers for two reasons: 1) they might

tell the truth (instead of the spin that the corporation wants to

promote), and 2) If they spent time talking to customers, they can't

get their work done.

 

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Regarding Kodak being held liable for �lying�, if this were true, the

marketing staff in most corporations would be in jail. But you can�t

really prove in a court of law they were lying just because they put

a �spin� on the changes, even if that spin is a bit misleading.

 

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Here is the announcement (although it has been modified to make it

more palatable since it originally appeared at this web address).

http://www.kodak.com/country/US/en/corp/pressReleases/pr20020224-

01.shtml

 

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Of course, none of my comments should be construed to suggest that

the film will not be as good as before (we won't know for sure until

we try it), only that it will be a bit different, caused by the more

economical manufacturing process that Kodak needs to implement to

make B&W more commercially viable.

[how786]

I cannot find either that site or that press release.

Can you check the address?

Howard

[how786]

21st Century T-Max, Plus-X, Tri-X Films 'Shoot the Same,' Minimize

Problems With Dust

ORLANDO, Fla., February 23 -- Kodak Professional today ensured

quality black-and-white photography well into the 21st century by

announcing that its T-Max, Plus-X and Tri-X films are now being

produced in a state-of-the-art facility utilizing modern

manufacturing and emulsion processes that maintain the familiar,

fundamental characteristics of the films while improving the physical

characteristics of the negative.

 

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Kodak's venerable professional black-and-white films are being

produced at Kodak's most technically advanced manufacturing facility

in Rochester. The modern processes in use also improve the film

negative so it is cleaner and much less susceptible to attracting

dust. The only difference photographers are likely to encounter is a

slight adjustment in development times.

 

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"These next-generation black-and-white films from Kodak shoot the

same as before and maintain the high quality our customers have come

to expect," said Bob Shanebrook, Worldwide Product Line Manager,

Negative Films, Kodak Professional. "Photographers might see minor

differences in development times, but they'll enjoy the same

exceptional results in their prints in 2002 and for years to come.

This investment is solid proof of Kodak's long-term commitment to

quality black-and-white photography."

 

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Kodak Professional T-Max, Plus-X and Tri-X films from the new

facility are clearly identified through new packaging, a new catalog

number and new notch sheet codes. This new packaging adopts the

naming conventions of Kodak Professional color negative and the

latest reversal films, listing the film's speed followed by a

description (e.g., 125 PX film).

 

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T-Max and Plus-X films will be shipped to dealers in April, while Tri-

X film will be shipped in October. All three films will be available

from dealers on a stock-turnover basis. The original T-Max, Plus-X

and Tri-X films will stop shipping to dealers in March.

 

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The new films will be priced similar to the black-and-white films

they replace. Introduction of the films coincides with Kodak's

worldwide film-price adjustments that occurred January 1 in the U.S.

and February 1 in Europe.

 

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Kodak Professional T-Max, Plus-X and Tri-X black-and-white films are

available from authorized dealers of Kodak Professional products, and

directly from Kodak Professional via the Kodak web site.

 

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For information about Kodak Professional and its photographic films,

customers may call: 1-800-235-6325, or visit our web site at:

www.kodak.com/go/professional.

 

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Kodak, Kodak Professional, T-Max, Plus-X and Tri-X are trademarks of

Eastman Kodak Company.

2002

[michael_feldman1]

The extra (unwanted) "space" in the web reference was courtesy of the

software for this forum when using the "your response" box.

[sergio_bartelsman]

I have used TriX film for the last 15 years as my primary stock. And

I did notice a change in grain structure and contrast a couple years

ago, especially when push processing.