really__ Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 My friend from Kodak, who's at the PMA show that just opened today, said that Leica failed to show up and set up their booth. The footprint is clearly marked out and labelled - but no Leica. Hmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralph_canon Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 have you priced a plane ticket from germany to florida lately? understandable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis_vener_photography Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 i spoke with Leica's Pr people last Wedsnesday. they were/are planning to be at PMA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig_semetko Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 A friend of mine is helping supervising some set ups at PMA. He just called me this morning to tell me he was over at the Leica table trying to get some Leica swag for me-- now that's a friend! He doesn't know much about cameras, but, rest assured, Leica is there, although I got the impression it wasn't a big booth. I asked him to ask about a digital M. If I hear anything (doubtful) I'll pass it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew robertson Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 I thought PMA was in the Netherlands. Reading the dpreview.com web site's report of PMA, they have the same old Digital Modul R with the menu lit up just like last time. It's under glass, where nobody can try to shoot with it, just like last time. The humorous thing is that they say it'll be released in 'April 2005'. Hahahaha. This is in direct conflict with the press release that Leica made some weeks ago stating that they weren't doing nearly as well as they expected, and that certain products may be delayed. Marketing fighting the accountants and engineers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill hart Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 Check www.dpreview.com. They have a photo of the Leica booth at PMA 2005 and state there is nothing new, other than a firm April, 2005 ship date for the DMR and lowering of Digilux 2 price by $250.00. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_kastner Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 Sorry, but, so what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sl1 Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 We in the good old USA are so egocentric that we naturally assume everything in the world evolves around us, NOT !! Right now, all the high end camera makers are concentrating their efforts in promoting sales for the new China. When was the last time you saw 30-40 Summilux 50/1.4 in one batch. How about 60 M7's, 30 MP ?? Well, I saw them when they were being prepared for a shipment to China. Are you also aware that Hasselblad was bought out by a Hong Kong firm and now their primary interests are in China, not here. Rumors said they are also considering buying Leica and some others.. We used to be and had the greatest consumer power in the world, not anymore since our good ol' presidents start trading the things we have so as to gain some votes. Sad. Stop your colonial mentality, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee hamiel Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 All I can surmise from the reports are that the Digilux 2 is being scaled back to $1595. Big news but I guess it's not being overzealous - maybe the Panasonic version is outselling it bigtime. Also - per an email from someone at Leica recently the M Digital back is not due to be announced or tested until 2006 as an earlier poster said. Not sure if that means early or late in the year - better hurry up! It's in Orlando this year right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chip l. Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 Now the Digilux 2 going to $999 would be news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard s. Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 Lee, a couple of months ago here in Tokyo at Bic Camera they had the Leica Digilux 2 and the Panasonic clone side by side in the display cabinet. I don't remember the exact prices, but it was something like 210,000 Yen for the Leica and 170,000 Yen for the Panasonic. When I went back a few weeks later the display had changed and the Leica was gone! Couldn't help wondering is the Panasonic rep had anything to do with the initial display ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunom Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 Gabriel Thanks for your,very accurate assessment! - the US is part of planet earth, not the other way round. Lee It could be that a Digilux 3 is not that far away, and maybe they want to clear old stock? All they need to do is make the lens slightly smaller and put in a proper viewfinder - wish wish. Bruno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunom Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 Looking at the digi-news photos of the R9+DMR there is a view of the rear screen display which shows the moire filter as off but I thought that Leica weren't going to have a moire filter at all? If correct this may have been one of the reasons for the delay in its introduction? Bruno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee hamiel Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 My guess is that either they are not selling as many as Panasonic or - DIII is on it's way - I hope so as I've held off buying thus far & would be more than happy to get a DII. Reminds me of Nikon with their rebates - writing is on the wall so far as what's being phased out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monochrome11 Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 i recently traded in a Pentax 645 kit for a Panasonic LC1 at Henrys.com (straight trade)... they were selling the LC1 for approx. USD$799 - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew robertson Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 Question - if Leica has set a firm shipping date of April 2005 for the DMR, why wouldn't they let folks use it at PMA? Why wouldn't they provide at least one sample image? Answer - because it's vaporware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_cooke Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 "the US is part of planet earth, not the other way round." Can we here in Australia enter the world series now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_m_heut Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 They provide sample images, they print them, show them on screen and guess what ? Some of us have been able to use the camera, shoot pictures with it and so on... So I guess the reason why they do not let everybody take pictures with it is the same reason Nikon has for its D2X. To avoid ill-informed people like you to spread even more rumors on the Internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feli Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 >Question - if Leica has set a firm shipping date of April 2005 for the DMR, why wouldn't >they let folks use it at PMA? Why wouldn't they provide at least one sample image? >Answer - because it's vaporware. They provided sample images a few months ago and they looked good for a prototype camera. If you search the Leica site, you will probably still be able to find them. It is fairly common for manufactures to be tight lipped until the product ships. Nikon's 2dx is a good example. It is not uncommon at trade shows to see sample cameras with the memory card cover hot glued shut. feli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watts Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 <i>Looking at the digi-news photos of the R9+DMR there is a view of the rear screen display which shows the moire filter as off but I thought that Leica weren't going to have a moire filter at all?</i><br><br>I think the moire filter is a software feature and the 'on/off' thing is probably relevant to in-camera processed jpegs. What the DMR doesn't have (which distinguishes it from most of the competition) is a physical moire (low-pass) filter over the sensor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew robertson Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 Pascal, are you implying that you have actually shot pictures with this camera? I know they let one German guy shoot some images with it, and provided little postage stamp size sample images, with little postage stamp sized enlargements. If you did indeed shoot with it, let's see the images! If not, then please stop implying things that aren't so. I would love to see a full sized, native resolution sample image. I have spread no rumors. I have merely observed that Leica has been flapping their collective lips regarding the DMR, but has provided scarce details or evidence to back up their claims that they will be able to ship the DMR in April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watts Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 Leica had a couple of native resolution images available to download from their website as long ago as before Christmas. I seem to remember the image quality looked pretty good. A recentish issue of LFI also featured some 'fashion' style images shot with the DMR. These (as far as offset printed output can show) also suggested the DMR will cut it quality wise. The DMR is clearly not vapourware like the infamous silicon film (or whatever it was called). DMR units physically exist and, I dare say, properly work (albeit probably with some glitches). Whilst one can question the wisdom of designing an add-on module rather than stick the digital guts in a modified R8/9 shell, I don't think there should be any doubt that the DMR will be a decent product (image quality wise) when/if it finally ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunom Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 James/Peter Who used to run the Miss UNIVERSE competition? Bruno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_brewton Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 Speculation of a Digilux 3 is interesting. 8 mp & a black body and they would get my attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brambor Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 <img src="http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2005/Leica/IMG_3837.jpg"> <p> Digital Back not exactly vapourware Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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