vertigoclimb Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 I've requested a photo critque and gotten 10 ratings so far. I lookedthrough the Photos from Last 24 Hours Ranked by Rate Recent Sum(Updated Sun Apr 17 16:17) and don't see my photo. How does this work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vertigoclimb Posted April 17, 2005 Author Share Posted April 17, 2005 Nor does it show up in the Photos from Last 24 Hours Ranked by Average Rating (Updated Sun Apr 17 16:18) with:10 ratings, Aesthetics: 5.70/7 Originality: 6.00/7. Please help with my confusion... thanks. :o) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholasprice Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 Hello Lisa Only the ratings aquired through the critique forum "Rate Recent" function count. How many of your 10 ratings were aquired in this way? Did you request a Critique? And, have people been popping by your portfolio and rating that way? - as those wont count! Regards, Nick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vertigoclimb Posted April 17, 2005 Author Share Posted April 17, 2005 Well, the photo hadn't been rated at all before I requested a critque so I guess they all came from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vertigoclimb Posted April 17, 2005 Author Share Posted April 17, 2005 I requested critique earlier today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholasprice Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 Then I'm sorry, I have no other ideas. Good luck in your quest. Nick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mondiani Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 can you post the link to your photo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vertigoclimb Posted April 17, 2005 Author Share Posted April 17, 2005 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?topic_id=1481&msg_id=00BsQZ&photo_id=2854014&photo_sel_index=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vertigoclimb Posted April 17, 2005 Author Share Posted April 17, 2005 I've noticed something else strange. I looked at the highest rated photo's by the people who rated this one. It doesn't show up on anyone list. here are the numbers... So, of the 10 who rated the photo, it should show up on 6 of their highest rated photo's list. It sows up on none. 5 5 2 5 6 2 6 6 4 6 7 1 7 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
root Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 The relevant date is the upload date (was that back in November '04?), not when a critique was requested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vertigoclimb Posted April 17, 2005 Author Share Posted April 17, 2005 Are you sure? i went to see and found many photo's on the first page of the trp for the last three days to have an uploaad date much older than three days ago.This one for example: http://www.photo.net/photo/3286391 The date is 2003-05-01. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vertigoclimb Posted April 17, 2005 Author Share Posted April 17, 2005 oh, ok... now I see what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vertigoclimb Posted April 17, 2005 Author Share Posted April 17, 2005 Stupid... I give up... Is there anywhere that I can read the rules and other quarks of this forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
root Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 You're not stupid . . . because the answer to your last question is . . . "no". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vertigoclimb Posted April 17, 2005 Author Share Posted April 17, 2005 I've requested critiques a couple times in the past days and have seen none on the trp... so many rules... sigh. I'll just post and leave comments. I've recently found that if I rate an image withn a folder it will be "hurt" or "punished" within the trp. Now I've found that if a request for critique isn't made immediately upon posting the same thing will happen. Thanks for the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholasprice Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 Lisa, your work is generally good enough for you to not have to worry about the TRP pages. I love it, and I found your portfolio through these forums. There are many ways to be visible on photo.net, and by no means is the TRP the crowning glory - its just the subjective opinion of those of us who are able to spend time trawlling through the Request for Critique queue! - Just as the old system was biased to some diabolical "mate-raters" - they were still good photographs (on the whole). The nice thing about photo.net is that it allows you to see our work by many different ways - eg, I like to look at the photographs with the most comments, and that has nothing to do with ratings! Regards, Nick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vertigoclimb Posted April 17, 2005 Author Share Posted April 17, 2005 I don't know.. maybe I'm just discouraged. I tell my kids all the time that "if something is harder than it's worth, it's probably not worth the trouble". I'm not getting many visitors to my folders lately. I put a counter on my portfolio page and was surprised by how few visits I've recieved. I've heard pretty loudly and many times how unwanted manipulations are. Frankly, I like to see people step outside the box and expand upon things (even photography). My thoughts about this are if no one stepped outside the box with so many different subjective things then the wheel would never have been invented. Or the camera for that matter. But, I'm a minority here with this view. I try to leave comments but being a widow with 3 kids I have little time for myself and of that time, even less for photo.net. Of the comments I've left, I've seen many times that it's not right to leave positive feedback (I've even been told that I do this to get high ratings in return) and if I leave a comment that isn't positive I've been "told off" and down rated. I guess I should weigh all these experiences and others on a scale and see which side weighs heavier. Tomorrow is another day. Maybe I won't feel so discouraged with my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vertigoclimb Posted April 17, 2005 Author Share Posted April 17, 2005 By the way, thanks Nick. I appreciate your kind words. Warm Regars, Lisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mondiani Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 <i>I've heard pretty loudly and many times how unwanted manipulations are.</i><p> To me your latest submissions qualify as art but no more as photos. I even like them but look at <a href="http://www.photo.net/photodb/member-photos?user_id=484267&include=all">Ben Goossens portfolio</a> tought he also finds inspiration from paintings his works are still photos even if heavily manipulated. I even thought you had photographied your own paintings before reading your comments. But hey it's just me but you jumped out of the box and landed in another one. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbb Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 Lisa you either did not notice, or still have a strong denying reaction to the fact that when you get better in your work more lonely you will become. It does not take much but just starts to be above the average. Your work is way above the average so you should be quite lonely by now. And I am not talking about most of your relatives and people around you - they always will say your work is great no matter what you show to them. I am talking about this big, wild world outside where every one is a predator trying to get a largest prey for themselves :) and tries to slay or cripple competitors. Look how little attention are given here to greatest portfolios and look how many people try to manipulate system to be on the 'top', or how many like new trp default were average pics have chance to show. Yes, you should just upload new photos to your folders (if you still have time for that) and enjoy visits from those who really like your work. The most important you should just keep working on becoming better and better just for yourself. Again you past the stage of checking rates long time ago. Best regards, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acearle Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 Lisa, your work is great, don't worry about the TRP, which seems basically like a high school popularity contest. I've persused your work MANY times and its great...(errr, I've given up on rating for the most part, but not on enjoying peoples' work :-)). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelhills Posted April 17, 2005 Share Posted April 17, 2005 Lisa, for what it is worth, don't give up your passion for what you create - you create wonderful compositions. I find great pleasure in dropping by your portfolio every now and again to view your work. As to whether they are 'photographs' - well, I for one do not care. They elicit strong emotions from me and to me, that is what a good composition is all about.<br><br> As to you having little time to devote to your passion because of kids etc - no answer for you, but you might take comfort in the fact that I'm sure many of us are in the same boat :) Chug, chugging along... :) M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnital Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Lisa, I like your work, just continue to create, only that is importent. I join what Mark B. had to say. Pnina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afs760bf Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Lisa,If I counted correctly, you have 86 comments directly posted to your portfolio. I haven't seen too many other photogoraphers with that many posts to their entire portfolio. So take some reassurance from the fact that your work is being noticed by many people. If that many folks left remarks, there were no doubt many times that number who viewed but didn't leave remarks. It is difficult to figure out all the rules, especially when they keep changing, but the TRP page is functioning, IMO, better than it has in a long while. Your stuff is very original, all the way from unaltered photos to heavy PS stuff. So keep doing what you do. The rules will take care of themselves. There are over 90,000 active members, according to Brian, all wanting to be noticed, so that's a lot of competition for a little space. Just have fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay_patel Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 <p>Lisa,</p><p>No need to be discouraged...sometimes our work touches other in ways you can't directly imagine or even realize. Comments and ratings asides, we all have impact on other by the things we post on photo.net. Some impact of our work is readily visible (by ratings and comments), while others are not. We see that on our Timecatcher website as well, by the mail that we get from our viewers.</p> <p>A while back you had posted a photograph...I think it was called "Looking from afar" (it is not there anymore). That photograph inspired me to try out something different...step out of box so to speak. Can a Landscape manipulated appropriately to convey the sense or feeling or emotion to the viewer...that would be otherwise lacking from a pure landscape alone? Here is a result of that inspiration: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=484008 Ratings are lossy, the concept doesn't always make sense to everyone and the photos seldom make it to the top of TRP...But I like the process nonetheless. It is different and it is certainly very creative....and certainly heavily influenced by your work. :-))</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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