vuk_vuksanovic Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 i am such an awful/lazy/timid street photographer that i probablydeserve to have my leica taken away, but i think i finally have acandid that's actually OK. what do you think? <br><br><center><table cellpadding=66 cellspacing=66> <tr bgcolor="000000"> <td align=center valign=center height=1 width=1> <table cellpadding=25 cellspacing=25> <tr bgcolor="FFFFFF"> <td align=center valign=center height=1 width=1> <imgsrc="http://www3.sympatico.ca/qstatistic/new/BW0135010-fashionkings.jpg"><br><br><br><b>The Fashion of Kings</b> </td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr></table></center> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 i think i'd rather take your borders away :-) keep shooting Vuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Yep, the borders kill it. www.citysnaps.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattalofs Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Not bad, but the border makes it look like a book cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark feldstein Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Well Vuk, what I'm not at all clear about is why you did it. So, let me ask you: why did you take this photograph; why is it successful to you; why did you title it this way? Most importantly, what do you think you could have done to improve it? That's another way of asking what don't you like about it. As photographers, ultimately we all have to be our own best and worst critics. Tell us more and see if any of us agree. Oh, and if you've got additional shots of the same scene, why not post those too along with your insights. Be well. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuk_vuksanovic Posted February 7, 2005 Author Share Posted February 7, 2005 not really borders--it's just HTML wonkery used to make a better/small back drop: it would be better if photonet didn't use all this glaring white.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuk_vuksanovic Posted February 7, 2005 Author Share Posted February 7, 2005 mark. <br><br> the way you've posed all those questions suggests i've failed miserably. oh well, back to girls and bits of metal. <br><br> vuk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gib Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 well, it looks very very good to me - borders and all. I like the lights in the top right makes for an interesting balance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gib Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 as for Mark Feldstein questions, all of them as obvious as any ever listed, he obviously can't think, or is not generous to think. You asked us what we think. You got at least one LF pseudo-philosophical echo. A head shake and a chuckle is the best reaction to this waste of a keyboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray g. Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Did you at least bet on a winner, Vuk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmo Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 I was actually going to go the other way, a bigger border, maybe green paisley, golored mat board with gold leaf edges would really make this sukah pop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_amiet2 Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Vuk, putting the boarders aside, and the detractors, I quite like the pic. It works reasonably for me as is. However, I would have continued to shoot from closer below the subject to give a bit more drama. Even waited till they started 'cheering' their selected horse in the next race. But there is probably a big deep hole right there, just to frustrate photographers, which is probably why you didn't do it! Cheers, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbinner Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 get closer. street photography is about people. it's normal to be timid, but you also need to show you're interested in your subject. i don't know what this picture is about, even with the caption. forget about the display. work on the content. it's a constant struggle, mainly with yourself. keep shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrybc Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 I would've like to see the bettors a little closer up but you certainly identified a great opportunity. The shadowed background really works well in your shot. Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaijin Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Blown highlights. The shadow details under the roof don't add to the photo. Lose them, and lose the borders, and crop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuk_vuksanovic Posted February 7, 2005 Author Share Posted February 7, 2005 D30 Gaijin. when you've brought home your computer from "best buy" it's usually a good idea to reset the monitor to something normal. perhaps we simply have different ideas regarding final mastering, but i can assure you, nothing is "blown" on the negative. also, if i do what it takes get rid of shadow detail (and thereby provoke the wrath of others), the second man's face will be totally lost. yes, i could dodge and all that, but there is simply no time. others. those who figured out the race-track riddle, cheers!!! i did very well that day. cashed most of my bets and hit a $270 exactor (that's "exacta" for you americans). BTW--my regular scanner broke down a couple of days ago and i had to resort to something very sub-par and annoying for this neg. once scanner is repaired, perhaps there will be a few more from the day worth posting. vuk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael s. Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Couple thoughts. First, I like the photo. The fellas are a bit distant, but their heads, hands, papers are aligned and the pattern in the upper right corner does offer some balance. Cropping may or may not improve it. I'm not sure. I'd have to spend some time and see it both ways. And on my screen, the highlights don't look so bad. These gents are standing very still, so I'm with John in wanting to see what happens when things get exciting. That's a different picture.<p><p> But while WJ Gibson and I both like the photo, I absolutely do not share his harsh view of Mark Feldstein's questions. Mark has in essence (perhaps unintentionally ?) restated the original "Crit" guidelines for the Forum as set forth last year by our moderator, Tony Rowlett, who wrote:<p><p> <i> Admin: CRIT threads - reminder on format<p><p> Tony Rowlett .... mar 30, 2004; 05:03 p.m.<p><p> When making CRIT (Critique) posts, please post more than the photograph itself. Please describe the characteristics of your photograph that you like as well as the ones you dislike and the ones you're not sure about. Please be as specific as possible. Ask specific questions so that your audience can get a better feel for your overall "goal" for the photograph. </i> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_couvillion Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Vuk: I like the composition. However, I agree with D30's comments regarding the exposure (which can be tough in bright sunlight). Just play around with it in the darkroom... Nevertheless your eye is good. Keep'em coming. Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael s. Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Vuk - I was posting as you were. You're gonna "repair" a scanner? Repair as in take it apart and put it back together? Maybe just take the $270 and get a new one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuk_vuksanovic Posted February 8, 2005 Author Share Posted February 8, 2005 dennis. <br><br> let me re-state. i have <b>chosen</b> to present/master/curve the picture this way. there is no exposure problem. i do not make exposure errors. quite frankly, i find this sort of suggestion as offensive as if you'd called me an imbecile. <br><br> vuk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmo Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 nice work getting rid of the detail in the highlights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abufletcher Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Since you posted this as a first effort at candid "street" photography, I'll address it as such and completely ignore technical aspects. Street photography is about finding and capturing interesting STUFF. Doesn't matter if you blow out the highlights or print the thing on cardboard. First, you can't do street/people/candid's with a telephoto lens. That's wildlife photography and you might as well be shooting birds in a tree. BTW, I'm assuming this was done with a mild telephoto (and yes that includes 50mm). Second, well, it's just a corollary of the first point, you have to be close. Close enough to talk to your subjects -- even if you choose not to. Close enough so that they KNOW you're there. The skill is figuring out ways to be this close and have your subjects NOT CARE. Brad seems to have this skill in spades. Even when his subjects are staring right into the camera, they never seem to be staring at HIM as the photographer. Remember that the primary definition of "candid" is "complete honesty and absence of deception." --Don PS. BTW, I think the English phrase you were looking for was "Sport of Kings" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie1664878514 Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 I don't have the calibre to give you advise here, so just mention what I feel. I think the photo is good and I will be happy to get this one myself. Further, I think you are lucky to have so many forumers to give you detailed comments, which is what we want when we post photos here. Normally, the comments here are just "Nice", "love it", "like #4", or make a friendly joke, etc., if not no response at all. In addition, if you post on the open internet you have to be prepared to accept negative and even hostile comments. All of the comments above are actually constructive and friendly in my opinion (but right or wrong is subjective in photography). I have seen (and actually received) much worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h._p. Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 I really like it, Vuk. The composition works well for me and it says a lot about punters (of which I know a little something, my father having been a keen punter himself) I also think that the way you've laid it out works very well. I'd carry on developing your own style, which I'm beginning to enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_kastner Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Vuk, it's a great shot. Immediately reminded me of Edward Hopper's Painting "People in the sun" from 1960. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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