edmo Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Michael, my apologies somehow I construed "So if I (like almost all of us here) want to be the boss, and not the camera, you still have to pay for it" to meaning you have to pay to be in control of the camera...go figure. <p> I also think Peter has the right thinking, if he likes the way it works and feels that's all that matters and there's no need to justify anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 <I> What decisions can you make with a Leica M that you can't make with any dSLR? </I><P> Camera finishes. But that's been made easier with their let your imagination go wild <i>a la carte</I> program. www.citysnaps.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis1 Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Expensive? Yes bloody so. Im glad I recovered what I spent on an M6 and a 35/2/asph bought at obscene prices. IMO, you don't need modern lenses or modern bodies to get into Leica. I'd say again. You are ONLY AS GOOD as your camera. But people can use what they want and spend as they like. It's their choice. It's a waste of time arguing that part. imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 <i>You are ONLY AS GOOD as your camera.</i><p> You've got that backwards. grant takes great photos with an old Russian camera with a scratched lens, a piece of trash. The photos get rave reviews here. For a number of years, I used an old Olympus camera with a lousy lens and off-speeds, I've sold a number of photos from it. <p> It's probably worth pointing out that when the Spanish arrived in Mesoamerica, they were amazed at the cities, larger and more elaborate than the ones at home. They had been built with stone tools and without the wheel, yet awed the Spaniards who had metal tools and sophisticated wheel-based transport.<p> I'd say that you are no better than how well you visualize an image. Period. Music and Portraits Blog: Life in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis1 Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 what lens/camera combo was this pic taken from? Do you know from here? You probably won't know from a 11x14 too. So you see, it doesn't matter what you are using, as long as you like using them to get what you want. And spend whatever you need. As long as you are happy, why do you care what others think? ;)<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmo Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 wild guess..."<i>M6 and a 35/2/asph</i>" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis1 Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Jeff, what I mean is you cannot be better than your camera or that your camera cannot be better than you. Yes, provide the vision, your camera just records it. You cannot ask your camera to do things beyond it's spec for example and likewise, your camera can't compose for you. As to how good you are as a photog, well, that's not my problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis1 Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 ed, wrong. Jeff, you can't ask a leica M to do a 1/8000th for example. In that sense, your vision about stoping a F1 car in action is just that, a vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 I can't stop it, but if I was there with a camera, I'd find a way to take a photo, something that I would find interesting. And maybe others.<p> <i>As to how good you are as a photog, well, that's not my problem.</i><p> Well what is your problem? Music and Portraits Blog: Life in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmo Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 shorter huh? hmmm....a 28cron? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis1 Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Yes, Im sure you'll find ways to do it. You can even do it with a pinhole if you try. AT 1/8000th..yes Im sure you would. I have no problems with what people uses to do what they want. I have no problems with whether one is a good photog or not based on what he uses, like yourself, using whatever gears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis1 Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Sorry, wait, you said you can't stop it! ok. Forget the 1/8000th thing. happy finding another interesting image then with 1/1000th. ed, wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Dude, I didn't say I could do it at 1/8000, but I would find something interesting, regardless of the camera. I've shot boxing with a medium format camera, talk about a tool that doesn't fit the job. Looked more like portraits, but I got them published anyway. Otherwise, I have no idea what you are saying. Music and Portraits Blog: Life in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_. Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 travis, why do YOU care what others think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis1 Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 You said it doesn't matter what one uses but it's the vision. So I give you an M to shoot a 1/8000th and you said you can't with that one but need another interesting pic. SO are you or are you not limited by the gear in some instance? Im not doubting what u can do with the same camera otherwise, but why not just admit at times we are only as good as what the camera can provide? in the F1 case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_. Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 tell us o travis what a leica m can do that a d70 that goes to 1/8000 cant? since you care so much all of a sudden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmo Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Warmer or colder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis1 Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 like who??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis1 Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 I didn't say the M was better or worse than the d70 if that's what you're asking. I said you can't go 1/8000th with an M if you had an M and wanted to stop a F1 car at that speed. like who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray . Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 thanks guys for the entertainment. I have no idea why any of this is important enough to you to argue. Just a nice IM chat around the campfire I guess. Edmo, what's happening to Pedro, my favorite pitcher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_. Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 like who what...wtf are u talking about travis...get off the sauce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmo Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 hmmm...35 cron? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmo Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Ray, don't know...didn't read anything today. Think he'll probably stay in Boston but if not they got cheese to spend on someone else. Thought what they (sox) offered was fair. If he signs with the Mets we wont be hearing about or from him after July... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rj Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 I'm not quite sure why people try to compare a d70 or any other digital slr to a leica m. It makes no sense. One camera is an slr and the other is a rangefinder, one is digital, the other is film, one has a viewfinder that is like looking towards a light at the end of a dark tunnel, the other is large, bright and shows things outside of the frame. There two completely different types of cameras, why compare them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 In the end, both produce pictures. Music and Portraits Blog: Life in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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