red_buckner Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 I had two web sites hosted on Verizon. One was for my business, and the other was my site about vintage cameras. Today, both vanished. The Verizon people say they don't know what happened, but will get back to me in 48 hours. They say this has hit other of their customers and they don't know why! Gee, I feel so comforted. That's almost two years of work up the pipe. And now many of the pictures I've posted here have vanished because the host pages are gone. So, the moral is: Don't host with Verizon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cenelsonfoto Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 #2 lesson - Backups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winfried_buechsenschuetz1 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Don't you know the three laws when using computers? 1. Make backups. 2. Make backups. 3. Make backups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_elek Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Maybe we could twist this into a bizarre film vs. digital discussion. Actually, I bought my brother a digital camera today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cenelsonfoto Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Can you back up a website with a digital cam? Hmm.... Yes, I betcha you could.... Sheesh, now I gotta try that! Will go home and drag a few pages to my Fuji S5000. Should work just like a USB pen drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cenelsonfoto Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Of course, I might even get around to trying to backup to my Ciroflex this weekend if the wine permits. Or maybe through my Chinon - any engineers here? Gotta find a way to dump 1s and 0s through the Xsynch to a roll of Provia. ;) Ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joris_van_looveren Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Verizon should have backups too. Not very professional if they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_n1664876959 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 The moral of this is - backups. Don't blame Verizon for something that you are culpable for. It is quite likely that Verizon have their own backups. If your sites reappear, download them to your workstation and back them up. If you choose to write them to a CD, use Mitsui Gold because it is the only true archival CD on the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_bedell Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 "trying to backup to my Ciroflex this weekend if the wine permits" Should that be "wine permits" or "wife permits"? I guess either one makes sense... As for "film" or "digital", I really wish I had that Maxxum 7D with some fast primes. The Scan Dual IV is kicking my butt lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gib Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 so those pointing to backups.....you all got yer negatives and slides completely organized and catalogued and cross referenced, right? ; ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_elek Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 I read a review of the 7D. Very favorable, though the reviewer had some issues with the exposure system and some inexplicably corrupted files. Just before I got downsized, I backed up my site to a CD, which is now unreadable. Guess it's time to back it up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis_vener_photography Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Try switching to www.fatcow.com for your web hosting. Excellent service, excellent support, excellent stability, excellent price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_buckner Posted December 17, 2004 Author Share Posted December 17, 2004 I had no idea you could download and save a website. How do you go about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cenelsonfoto Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Red - I must assume you have been using sitebuilder tools provided by Verizon from a control panel of sorts? Something you have to log into, yes? When I design a site, and I try really hard not to these days, I do so locally. That is to say, I handcode my pages or use a helper program like HTML_Kit, and my site is completely functional on my harddrive. I can browse it, follow links off it - just as though it were on some other server out in the ether. Once I have the bugs worked out, I upload to whichever webhosting service I choose.... the site remains on my computer for backup, for future editing, etc. I just push a copy of all the necessary files in the necessary directory structure up to the host's computers so that the entire world can view my work. Whenever I update my site, it is done via the local files - the ones on my computer. When finished grooming it, I push fresh content up to my webhosting account. Now that new info becomes available to all. It is not terribly difficult. Your site looked nice enough, so you have an eye for designing. There is a learning curve to "going solo", ie. designing, maintaining, uploading, backing-up, etc. I would be happy to explain more as you need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken_jeanette Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Red, Just remember, there are only two types of computer users. Those who have lost data, and those who will. You aren't alone in having your stuff gone, so just kick back with your favorite liquid mood enhancer, and take it in stride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_spencer3 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Red Buckner wrote: "I had no idea you could download and save a website. How do you go about it?" I am like CE Nelson and always construct my web sites on my local harddisk and then copy the file structure plus files to my internet provider. Regardless of how you construct your web page you do need to get a back up copy into your own hands which means copying the files and the file structures back to your harddisk. The method most folks use to transfer files from computer to computer is called "FTP" (File Transfer Protocol) and there are many different versions of this software that you could download (for free or for a small fee). I use something called "WS_FTP" which was free when I got it (many years ago) but they now seem to charge a fee of about $35. FTP predates "HTTP" (Hyper Text Transfer Protocal) so it is very well established. Do some Googling for freeware if you want, or you can check out WS_FTP at ... http://www.download.com/3000-2160-10018456.html Good Luck Mike Spencer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cenelsonfoto Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 <a href="http://www.chami.com/html-kit/">HTML_Kit Website</a> <p/> Go there for a very good html tool. This will force you to bleed a little, you'll have to learn some coding skills, but it is highly useful and also comes with a built-in FTP client. All-in-one goodness. <p/> I am also available for small projects, may consider some gratis work if not too burdensome.<p/> Best part - Free. Opensource software is a wonderful thing. Also search through <a href="http://sourceforge.net/">SourceForge.net</a> (The world's largest Open Source software development website) for more useful tools, including operating systems, forums software, games, firewalls, etc etc etc.<p/> Hope this helps at least one of you who comes across this info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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