._._z Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 <i><blockquote> Attacking another person's personality or intentions in posting a photograph can be. For example recently someone called me a "voyeur" because I posted some photos of people on a bridge in Osaka--a street photo like many others posted here. In another thread I was accused of having a "Lolita Complex" because I posted shots of young women (about 19 to 20) wearing fairly modest summer clothing who had sponaneously posed for me in a way that only the Taliban would call improper. These two attacks were libeous. </blockquote> </i><p> Calling someone a voyeur or having a Lolita Complex is not libelous at all, let alone an attack. Believing this is simply being thin-skinned and ignorant of US law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_kaplan1 Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 Alex, I feel that I know you too well to take offense to your occasional tongue in cheek jabs at me so don't worry about it. There are a few others here as well that share that humor, one I well understand, and I take no offfense at them either. We all know who the folks are that just like to see their names and mindless rantings frequently appearing on the board. It's gotten to the point where I can't even post about something like a resurgance of film use without getting stones thrown at me. I doubt that many board snipers shoot even 5 rolls a week. Some of those wedding guys might be going through 10 to 20 rolls per wedding, maybe doing 2 a week. That's a lot of film! Anyway folks, I gotta go meet an editor friend for breakfast. He's the one who was behind the Miami Herald article with Sheldon's photo wearing my T-shirt. My thanks to those of you who've come to my defense. I'll stick around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_Es Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 Bless you, Al. The last thing I want to do is take any jabs at you, unintentional or intentional. The first thing I want to do is take a jab at .[.Z, who, with all due respect, doesn't know what he is talking about. But since this such a lovely day, I won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzdavid Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 How about Ray's advice to "strike a happy medium"? Guess that was predictable, but not sure what would be achieved by assaulting a high-spirited spiritualist... Otherwise, good on you, Tony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
._._z Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 For all I care, Alex could strike a concrete median. Thin skin and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_tolley2 Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 And I would bet a very large majority of the members would be happy to see you just shut up since you rarely if ever provide anything of value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_tolley2 Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 Alex - your post of apology and atonement is worthy of your hero icon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_tolley2 Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 Oops, no icon I see for Alex. Still what you said is admirable as well a good example for this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_tolley2 Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 Oops, no icon I see for Alex. Still what you said is admirable as well a good example for this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
._._z Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Alex has a lapdog. How nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul t Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Calling somebody a voyeur, or accusing them of having supped a quart of Jack Daniels, is par for the course and obviously it's best to shrug it off. However, you're more likely to succeed with a libel suit if accused of the former, rather than the latter. Having a drink is not illegal; voyeurism, in many countries, is, and I believe they're disussing introducing new anti-voyeurism statutes in NY, as they have in Japan.<p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
._._z Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Anyone who subscribes to PEOPLE magazine is a voyeur of celebrity images/lives. If anyone here has accused Alex of committing a crime, please quote the accusation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_tolley2 Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Bailey - In the past I have expressed support for you and I have always respected your obvious intelligence and photographic knowledge. It was clever of you after David Killick's "strike a happy medium" to say you wouldn't care if Alex "struck a concrete median" but you seem willing to trade all compassion for a chance to prove your cleverness. I wonder at the intelligence in such a decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_chan1 Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Alex: "......someone called me a "voyeur".......in another thread I was accused of having a "Lolita Complex"........these two attacks were libeous. They were also utterly stupid." Leaving aside whether or not these comments were libelous, they certainly weren't "stupid" given your subject matter. As a middle-aged(?), white(?), American(?), male who focuses a lot on teenage, Japanese girls you shouldn't be overly surprised that your work has different connotations to the viewer than that of, say, Hiromix (a young Japanese woman that began documenting her life while still a teenager). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 I like that Japanese photographer who puts herself in scenes with groups of people as a character. Sort of a "hello kitty" version of Cindy Sherman. Can't remember her name, but there was a show of her work at SF MOMA a while back. Music and Portraits Blog: Life in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_chan1 Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Further to my last post, I should probably emphasise that i don't actually see the accusation of being a voyeur as remotely insulting. It just goes with the territory. Some of the most interesting photographers out there are really voyeuristic - Nan Goldin, Antoine d'Agata, Larry Clark....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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