always_wanderlust Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 I would just like some recommendations for decent developers on these films (Pan F 50 & Delta 100). I plan to use a Jobo ATL-1 to process it. If you can show some scans and post it here that would be great. Fine grain and decent sharpness is my goal. thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bljkasfdljkasfdljskfa Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 From everything I've read recently in the forum archives (and you should too). It's Diafine for Pan F, and it might work for your Delta too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lex_jenkins Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 I found Diafine produced very good results with Pan F+ and while I'm still not a big fan of the film it was a good combination. At EI 50 there was good shadow detail, a full tonal range in various and difficult lighting and no blown highlights. Also, Diafine is a very convenient developer (altho' some folks find a two-bath, recyclable developer inconvenient compared with one-shot developers). There are three examples in this folder of mine, all from the same roll (possibly shot on the same day): http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=317691 I haven't worked enough with Delta 100 to get to know or like it very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spider_. Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 PanF plus 50 in DD-X. <center><img src="http://fototime.com/{1C82AF07-447B-426C-8C03-7B37E4C3E7F6}/ picture.JPG"></center> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spider_. Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 another PanF plus 50 in DD-X... <center><img src="http://fototime.com/{1E0605B2-3386-4A28-8BF3-9717E65986F5}/picture.JPG"></center> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan_w. Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 Scans can be very deceiving because everyone has different 'workflows' for getting the image into the computer. That said, here are a couple of samples.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan_w. Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 Here's Delta 100 in HC-110.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spider_. Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 "Scans can be very deceiving because everyone has different 'workflows' for getting the image into the computer." - Good point Jordan. Here is the info on my scans. Pan F Plus exposed at EI 50. 8:00 min in DD-X at 20 deg C. Scanned on a Nikon Super Coolscan 4000 using Nikon software. Minimal Photoshop... set the black point to the edge of the curve and that was it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
always_wanderlust Posted November 16, 2004 Author Share Posted November 16, 2004 Thanks for the response and images guys. "Scans can be very deceiving because everyone has different 'workflows' for getting the image into the computer." I use 120 films for RZ67, I do have a Jobo but I don't have an enlarger. My workflow is to simply scan the negatives/positives for printing and/or archival purposes. I do all the dodging, burning stuff (maybe levels and curves) in photoshop. Honestly, I've never developed any B & W film before and am just confused with all the different developers there are for it as opposed to E6 which is much easier to choose from - Kodak, Tetenal, Photocolor. Spider.'s scans above of the police car - sharp, fine grained, moderate contrast is along the lines of what i'm looking for. Datasheets from Ilford does recommend ID-11 (I plan on using this as well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_waller Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 I rate Delta 100 at 50 ASA and dev in Rodinal, 1:50, 20 C, 8 minutes - that's for a diffuser head enlarger. I process by hand. I don't know the ATL-1 but if it's a rotary processor then you need to reduce the development time by 20-30 percent. Rodinal also gives excellent results with Pan F although I have no times for that. I suggest you contact Ollie Steiner who uses this combination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sterioma Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 For PanF, you might consider this <a href="http://www.photo.net/photo/2784305">picture</a> from Igor Amelkovich. He says he's used Rodinal 1.50 for 15 minutes (EI 50). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_jenoptik1 Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Stefano - bad bad boy! You could at least warn people you're referencing a nude before they click during work time. I agree with Chris - Pan F+ in Rodinal is just fantastic for everything; sharpness; acutance; tonality and flavour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan_w. Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Adonis, again, be careful when judging from scans. Contrast can easily be adjusted through changes in developing time and further adjustment at the printing or scanning stage. Sharpness and grain are inherent properties of a film-developer combo (probably more the film than the developer) and are difficult to judge from scans at screen resolution. Initial scanner resolution, sharpening, etc. will all play a role in how small scans like the ones on this thread look. Try ID-11 though, by all means. It should work very well with both films and is certainly an industry standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald_moravec1 Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Full strength ID 11. start with Ilfords time recommendations less 10% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay_de_fehr Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 I've been using Pyro-TEA with Pan F, and am very pleased with the results. Pan F/EI 50, Pyro-TEA 1:50 12min./70F. Gorgeous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack paradise Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Stefano, Thanks for the link. And pay no attention to that childish attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndc Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Pan F+ in Diafine is great, especially for images taken with flash. However, Rodinal can do amazing things with slow films like Pan F+ and FP4+, so don't hesistate to try it, especially at higher dilutions. Stefano: thanks for the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_clark___minnetonka_mi Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Try Ilford Perceptol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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