dayton_p._strickland1 Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 OK, after hearing the loud whirling and clacking sound of digital SLRs at the Reagan funeral yesterday evening I think it is high time someone get on with the digital M camera. It's too bad the better point and shoots don't have better shutter response and better high ISO noise levels as these cameras work great in situations (court rooms, funerals, etc.) where noise is frowned upon. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_kaplan1 Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 A bunch of years ago (late 1970's?) the Miami-Dade County Courts decided that you could only photograph inside a court room with a camera no louder than an M Leica, and it actually stated "Leica". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 Thoughts? I think you complain to much. 20 years ago it would of been F3's with MD4's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 Not as bad as the 'stadium optimists' who dazzle all those around them in the audience at major nighttime events by using the flash on their P&S cameras in the sure knowledge that their flash is equal in output to a battery of floodlights. They end up with overexposed/out of focus backs of heads and dim, dark, distant, shaky backgrounds despite being convinced at the time that THEY were taking prize winning action shots! They also end up angering people whose wide open (nighttime adjusted) pupils catch the full close range intensity of the flash! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jose_merino Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 I've seen Leicas during the testimonies of C. Rise, Ashcroft etc, i haven't seen any cameras at all for Reagan's events. I took my Leica to a townhall meeting where people were protesting zoning laws... performed flawlessly, the only noticeable sound was below 1/30 shutter speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virgw_owens Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 It is not chutter clack is it mirror slap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h_kan_th_rngren Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 To bad Reagan has passed away, otherwise he could have signed a legislation which outlaws noisy cameras and use of flash forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_bergman1 Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 If they made load whirling sounds why would you think they are DSLRs and not SLRs. DSLRs don't make whirling sounds. DSLRs do have shutters. That is why they clack. The shutter on my 10D makes a soft clack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 Oh and those 'Pushy Parent' types with the jumbo sized PRO videocams at school plays who are standing on top of other people and elbowing everyone out of the way to run to the stage as soon as little 'Victoria' comes on dressed as a shepherdess or tiger or whatever. Screaming directions at the poor hapless tot like they were some demented hollwood veteran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 But I agree, hundreds of noisy cameras at a funeral is bad taste and bad manners when the pros all have access to quieter means. (Or should do.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charles_mason Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 Since that ceremony was performed completely FOR the cameras, the noise seems appropriate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h._p. Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 Personally, I'd ban ownership of a flashgun unless you had a certificate signed by two psychologists saying that you actually had enough brains to use the bloody things correctly. If there's one thing that gets all photographers a bad name it's morons with flashguns who spoil events for everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_villarmia Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 DUCK VOICE: Aff-cclack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico_tudor Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 From experience, my camera loudness scale: <p> Hassy 2000FC (deafening) <br> Contax RTS III (loud) <br> Canon D30 (noticeable) <br> Leica M (quiet) <br> Contax T (detectable) <br> Nikon Coolpix 900 (silent) <p> The first three are SLRs (moving mirror & focal plane shutter); a DSLR is <i>not</i> inherently quieter than its film cousin. I find an M too noisy for a classical music event, and take the Contax T (leaf shutter, manual advance). <p> As noted already, a digi P&S is the most quiet but shutter lag is usually awful. Even worst is sensor noise at 400 ASA: film P&S has a major edge here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_white2 Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 The mirror has to flip up and down as well. That accounts for much of the noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis_vener_photography Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 A lot of what you hear on TV may be because the TV cameras & microphones and press photographers are mostly bunched togther and sound louder on TV than they are when you are actually there. Leica rangefinder or camera blimps (www.soundblimp.com ) are required in most if not all court rooms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedevermac.com Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 The whirring sound is probably photographers gunning at 8fps. At that speed the sound of each frame becomes indistinct and they all sort of run together to make that noise. In any case, the sound is no worse than any high fps film camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_jarman Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 The noise is due to the mirror and shutter. And you want to talk about deafening, grab a hold of my 1d mkII. Sounds like a train. Its actually kind of cool in a sports environment, but blows chunks when shooting wildlife. The MkII does have a quiet mode, which helps when needed but you lose the 8.5 fps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brambor Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 My cameras by noise: Yashicamat silent M6 silent D30 tasteless plastic slap ;-) Nikon EM slightly less than the next two Konica T1 almost identical as Canon 650 Canon 650 clackity clack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbq Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 Try an Olympus E-10 or E-20. Pretty damn silent for a DSLR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayton_p._strickland1 Posted June 10, 2004 Author Share Posted June 10, 2004 Eric, thanks for the thoughtful and thought-provoking input. That's why I love the internet, every moron can make his statement without consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivier_reichenbach Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 Stop clobbering the poor bloke who shoots with a flash in a stadium at some event happening 100 meters away. He is probably using a P&S with no way to turn the darn thing off. Not everybody can afford plush Leicas and Summiluxes. That said, those useless and ubiquitous flashes firing from every direction every tenth of second make for a fascinating spectacle in a 100,000 seats stadium at the Olympics. As for stealth shooting in courtrooms and at funerals, I think the Miami-Dade County could go one better than a Leica M with a Rolleiflex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huw_finney Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 Quietest camera? got to be a huge thing with plates and bellows, top hat as the shutter! All that dof, dof, doffing of hats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob haight Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 SLRs are noisy regardless if film or digital. The same shutter covers either film or the chip. The motor drive is the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_boyle3 Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 The comment by Ellis Verner re. the proximity of the tv microphones to the cameras was most interesting and would explain the noise heard on tv news clips of Bush & Company. However, one is left to wonder why so many photographers are taking pictures of them at every news conference. We already know what they look like. Seems like a waste of film and/or time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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