adrian_stone1 Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 I was recently told to refrain from taking pictures of clouds on a commercial AIR TAP Portuguese)flight from Porto, Portugal to Heathrow, London. We were at 35,000 feet and in clouds. I was told that taking photographs in flight is forbidden under the new security controls on commercial flights. Does anyone know if such a ruling exists? Does it apply to all commercial flights? Adrian Stone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palouse Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 Al Queda and Georgie Bush may have plans to use clouds as weapons! Remember, your heard it here first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_a Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 I don't know about whether its against the law or not (The Patriot Act pretty much made anything illegal that any authority wants illiegal), but you are on private property when you fly on an airlines airplane. They have the right to demand no cameras or any other device they deem fit. Your recourse is to either not use thier airline again, write a letter to the airlines customer service center discribing the incedent and requesting clarification, or don't bring out your camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_gifford Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 Asiana says in listing permitted equipment for use in the cabin in flight: "Camera equipment, including movie cameras and lights, video cameras, and flash bulbs, digital camera are allowed, but only when the No Smoking sign is off. " So there's no international ban. Airlines get to make their own rules. Individual flight attendants also have thet privilege, really, since passeners are required (at least under U.S. regulations) to do what the flight crew says. Be well, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_a Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 I should have made more clear, the above this aplies to Aircraft owned by American Companies and over United States soil. Laws may vary from nation to nation. But I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 How many flight attendants are on the plane? How much time will they spend at your seat? Just shoot....<p> <center> <img src="http://www.spirer.com/images/aerolitoral.jpg"><BR> <i>Aerolitoral, Copyright 2002 Jeff Spirer</i></center></center> Music and Portraits Blog: Life in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpb Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 Sometimes you have to take chances... flyby of Greenland en route from Amsterdam to New York... just after the new security measures were implemented. My friend woke me up to show me this, and I'm grateful for it to this day. jb<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constance_cook Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 On the last flight I was on (May, 2004), passengers were warned that not obeying a flight attendent would result in arrest when the plane arrived at its destination. Conni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank uhlig Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 I just flew on Lufthansa across Germany and took a few pics of the landscape below. Attendants served me as usual; no restraint on photos there. Will fly TAP later next month and shall let you know (a) if anything worth photographing came under our wings, and if so, whether (b) I was hassled by TAP attendents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex_lofquist Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 The only time I was told to not take photos from commercial aircraft was while we were on the ground at Bombay, Bangkok, and at a field on the east coast of Taiwan that was shared by their military. I remember that during WWII there were times and places where the window shades had to be drawn during portions of the flight. (One of these places was at Niagara Falls.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik_dahlbeck Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 Same goes for my "local" (~60 km) airport. It's part civilian airport and part Swedish Air Force base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen_w. Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 Ah, Aerolittoral. Good to see they still exist. I flew into Algeria with them in 1993 for an eight month stay. Taking photos in the plane is up to the company not the TSA (no jurisdiction) in or over Portugal, London, or in between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
affen_kot Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 i bet all that rust in the aerolitoral engine seams was reassuring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 Stephen, different airline. This is in Mexico, it's a local (small) airline. Rust doesn't bother me. Just get on the plane and go. If it had been on fire, I would probably have had some concern. Music and Portraits Blog: Life in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_beaman Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 Just sit down and enjoy the fight! I do not want people taking pictures on planes and messing with electronic devices. It makes me and most of the other passengers nervous. All of these people complaining about not being able to shoot in subways or on planes need to figure it out. Are you allowed to shoot pictures or take video in a movie theatre while it is playing? NO! Are you allowed to walk into a bank and shoot pictures of things behind the counter? NO! Some places are not meant to be photographed. You might think you have the right to do it but it makes most of nervous. I am sure you people who disagree will never get that fact but it is what it is. I do not want some guy/girl digging through their camera bag at 40,000 feet and messing with electronics. I am nervous enough up there. Just sit back and relax. You do not need to take pictures up there. If you do, rent a plane or go on a tour that is meant for picture taking in the air. Don't mess with my flight. Just sit back, watch your movie and eat your lousy meal. You wil be on the ground in no time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike dixon Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 Funny, Tom, no one has ever looked the least bit nervous about me using my laptop or listening to my CD player during a flight (not during takeoff or landing). Sure you're not just making up stuff about how <i>most people</i> feel?<P> As an aside, my travel cameras are completely mechanical. The only hazard they might present to the plane's operation is if I managed to bash out one of the plane's windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_beaman Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 Mike, "most people" would prefer you just sit on the plane and keep quiet. And yes, using your laptop and cd player would bug me also. Just sit there and eat your peanuts. If you want to listen to music, use the ailine headphones and listen to the radio. They have 9 stations and that should plenty for someone even if they are as picky as you. You don't need flight time to take your little photos of the wing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike dixon Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 I am just sitting there keeping quiet. Unless I'm talking to whoever's seated next to me. Do "most people" think it's wrong for me to do that, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_beaman Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 You can talk to me if you are sitting next to me. Maybe we could talk about or opinion differences. Just keep your camera bag neatly stowed in the compartment above your head (your laptop also). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 Are you in charge of the airlines? A flight attendant or air marshall? If not, why would anyone have any interest in what you think they should be doing? I sure don't. Music and Portraits Blog: Life in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_beaman Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 your post makes no sense. People are talking about airlines not allowing you to take pictures during the flight. Their rules, not mine! I am saying I agree with them. And obviously someone out there fels the same way I do or they would not have made it a rule! I really don't care if you agree with me Jeff. Its just a good thing you are not running our airlines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott aitken Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 First, an airline is a private business, and the airplane is privately owned. Therefore, they are perfectly within their rights to set whatever rules (within reason) they wish. Furthermore, the requests of flight crew have the strong backing of the law when in the air. So if they say you can't take photos, then you would be well advised to put your camera away. On the other hand, there is no specific "law" or FAA regulation stating that photographing out a plane window is illegal. Having said that, I'm guessing that your sad experience was probably the result of an overzealous flight attendant. Not unlike overzealous private security guards that try to forbid photography of bridges and anything else that makes their overactive minds paranoid. Nervous nellies like Tom notwithstanding, taking a photo while in flight will not cause the plane to magically fall out of the sky. People have been snapping photos out of airplane windows for 70 years. And there is certainly nothing you could photograph out of a commercial aircraft window at 35,000 feet with a consumer camera that could possibly be considered a security risk. This is quite silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumpster001 Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 the "most people" i know of use their cd players, work on their laptops, play on the gameboys, etc, while consuming those lousy peanuts. and photographers they're not, but they also love to take snaps through the window. *honestly*, i don't understand exactly what part of any of this can "bug" anyone? stupid rules like this only feeds to the fear of the timid and the paranoia of the ignorant. <p> <center> <img src="http://home.comcast.net/~nickelodeon/flight-2.jpg"> </center> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john falkenstine Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 Sorry, its not rust, just oil and fumes from the engine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andre_noble4 Posted June 18, 2004 Share Posted June 18, 2004 "...under the new security controls on commercial flights" Al-Queda are likely planning a coordinated Stinger missle attack on Westen commercial flights, or something of that sort for their next show. This Airline security B.S. with bothering Joe Clueless Shutterbug is little more than displacement activity until the next elephant turd hits the fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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