Sanford Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 In my never ending search to make Velvia look like b&w film, I've added noise to this one to simulate film grain. This seems to greatly extend the contrast range. Taken last 4th of July in Monterey, CA.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
________1 Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 Nice shot Sanford. This is my "digital" tri-x pushed a stop or two.<p><center><img src="http://members.shaw.ca/mywebspace88/shonyee1.jpg "></center> </p> <center><i>~~</i></center> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam_portera Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 Why not use B&W film? Your using the finest grain most saturated ISO 50 slide to simulate B&W? I don't see the logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 <center> <img src= "http://pages.sbcglobal.net/b-evans/WebImages/8-30-03NYCWeb/image/ny- dog3.jpg"> </center> www.citysnaps.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanford Posted July 8, 2004 Author Share Posted July 8, 2004 Sam, the idea is to just use one film for everything. My goal is to produce the sharpest, most saturated slides I can, but some photos look better in B&W, so the conversion. In the land of Adams & Weston it's fun to pull of a sucessful b&w conversion. It really rankles the old timers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bart feliciano Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 Isn't Velvia much more expensive than Tri-X ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger_michel Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 i have been awaiting the introduction of PS plug-ins designed to simulate the fingerprint of various film emulsions. i am surprised, in fact, that such a product does not already exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanford Posted July 8, 2004 Author Share Posted July 8, 2004 BTW - this prints beaufitully on the new Epson R800 using Epson Premium Glossy, not so good with Epson Enahnced Matte - greenish cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtodrick Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 I personally am waiting for the latest minivan that handles like a Ferrari, accelerates like a Hemi-Cuda and is as sturdy as a Hummer. I think this kind of falls into the 'different tools for different jobs' category...which in my very humble opinion is one of the things that makes a successful image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 Roger you're way, way behind times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivier_reichenbach Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 Well done, Sanford. Jamie, a bit overdone, maybe, IMHO. Sam, sometimes it is also just for the fun of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_kaplan1 Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 Just do it all electronicaly! How about a plug-in that'll let you get your latest $3,000 Aspheric to give you pictures that look exactly like you were really using a scratched up uncoated fungus infected 3 element Schneider Radionar? Maybe shot with Ansco Super Hypan and souped in DK-60A? Maybe somebody come up with a name for this sickness, because photography it ain't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fran_ois_courtois Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 here is an example of a color picture that I found much better converted to b&w + gaussian noise using PS<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fran_ois_courtois Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 here is the color version<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max_fun Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 There is a program that is customized for each DSLR and a specific lens, such that any distortion and vignetting can be removed. In fact, I think the Olympus E-1 has this programed in camera, and so these lens artifacts are really reduced to a minimum. Whether this perverts photography or not, I think is subjective to how people see photography. Personally, I feel that the final photo is more important than how it is done, so I'm totally forgiving about post-processing, digital or otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
________1 Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 ""Jamie, a bit overdone, maybe, IMHO" Olivier: really, it looks exactly as intended, honest. I love that 60's 1000 asa tri-x push/look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_. Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 jamie, try adding the noise or grain in the lightness channel in LAB, you wont get all that color noise then..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 I do conversions with The Imaging Factory's B&W Pro which does have profiles for a number of black and white films to give similar tonal response. It also incorporates filter capability and exposure and contrast parameters, using effects similar to traditional processing.<p> Grain can be added using the "film grain" filter in Photoshop CS, which is a bit hard to find but is in there. Because it only provides for implementation in discrete steps, it has to be applied on a layer, with opacity adjusted after to the appropriate amount of grain. The image below has been through this conversion process.<p> <center><img src="http://www.spirer.com/images/mirrorca.jpg"><br> <i>Mirror Mirror, Copyright 2004 Jeff Spirer</i></center> Music and Portraits Blog: Life in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 Al, I've never critisized you before, but for a guy who shoots weddings to say that "photography it ain't" shows a propriatory closed-mind attitude which can only undermine photography's enormous potential for individual expression. I always say "If it works -- do it!" And if I don't like it, that's MY problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 "Your using the finest grain most saturated ISO 50 slide to simulate B&W? " Velvia is in the middle of the road for grain. Astia, i think, is the finest grain still. And it's about choices. we have more now. I don't see the point of shooting B&W unless you are printing wet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 Jamie, yeah, what grant said. and do your USM there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moiz Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 When you add noise using Filter>Noise>Add Noise... there is a check box at the bottom that says "monochrome". Click it and you will get monochrome noise, not colour (or color :P) noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig_Cooper11664875449 Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 Reversal film may deliver the density ranges of traditional B&W but it wont give you the exposure lattitude - clearly demonstrated by the examples uploaed here. However, if you can control that aspect, the conversions to B&W can be stunning - but Velvia probably isnt the best reversal film; Astia/Sensia offer much better lattitude. But then why add grain??? Whenever I do colour to B&W conversons its always with theimagingfactory software and something that always strikes me a peculiar is the constant reference to the inbuilt tonal response curves of a number of films in this package... This cant possible be close to accurate anyway as you would at least need a two layer profiling approach to begin with; Fuji NPH/Tri-X or Kodak 100VS/Delta400 because you have already created a tonal response mapping of the scene to film when you took the colour image and the B&W profile has no knowledge of that. But if it keeps ya happy... Anyway, why isnt this thread in the Digital Darkroom???<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_kennedy1 Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 francois, i love the color version of that shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
________1 Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 "because photography it ain't." I think Al was quoting Henry Fox Talbot regarding daguerreotypes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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