Something to keep me company while my darling is at the shop

Discussion in 'Leica and Rangefinders' started by lenore_thierry, Nov 26, 2011.

  1. I'm looking forward to a lonely holiday. Shutters sticking open at slow speeds, winder grinding and fighting me, my M6 must go off for CLA and repair, which kills me because I've been having a hot and heavy love affair with it. The weeks ahead seem like a long winter unless I can find a distraction. Tell me what you think.
    Here are the parameters I have in mind:
    I want something cheap. Odd is fine, I don't want to replace my M. I thought of buying a body and selling it when mine came back but I think a visit to a camera of a different flavor may be fun. I'd prefer a rangfinder. Even more, I'd love a bayonet mount, at the same time a wierd Russian clone or toy may be the ticket. Got a thought?
  2. How about a Bessa R and a couple of ltm lens. If you happen to end up liking the LTM lens, you can keep them with LTM to M adapters.
  3. This was my second impulse after I talked myself down from the credit card abuse of buying an M4, telling myself that I'd sell it when the old lady came home from the hospital. (Right. I'm sure that would have happened.)
    What LTM lenses would you recomend if I go this route? I shoot with a 'lux 50, would that lens (W/ conversion) work well on this body?
  4. A Fed 3 is a nice cheap shooter. Screw mount though. An Aires V system is an interesting three lens outfit. Bigger and heavier than your M6 but surprising image quality. See my post here:

    There is a minty looking outfit on "bay #370534095378 Depends what is "cheap" for you.
  5. Louis,
    Uf. Lovely, silky gorgeous shots, do you have some from the fed 3?
    You're right, cheap is relative. I am certainly not made of money. My camera is worth vastly more than my car, the lens and camera could make for twice the ancient jetta I drive. Not a snob, just an impulsive and impractical person. Credit abuse is the siren that sings, I come to you collectively for exotic options that may keep me from beggering myself out of longing.
  6. Here are the parameters I have in mind:
    I want something cheap. Odd is fine, I don't want to replace my M. I thought of buying a body and selling it when mine came back but I think a visit to a camera of a different flavor may be fun. I'd prefer a rangfinder. ...​
    How about an Argus C3 "Brick"?
    It's a fun - albeit idiosyncratic device - but takes decent images. Found mine for $15 w/case at a local flea market. I posted this thread yesterday with pics from my first roll.
  7. Image from the C3:
  8. Pick up a Mamiya twin lens medium format.
  9. sounds like you need an olympus trip 35 in your life. pick one up for about $5-$20 - you'll never regret it! mine eventually Replaced my six leicas!
  10. I keep a Kodak Pony 135 in a bag in the back seat of my car. My lightmeter is the picture that came with Kodak film. The results are surprisingly good. The camera in excellent condition with a mint leather case cost $15 on eBay.
  11. Why not go digital for a few weeks? You could be up and running today. Walmart, Best Buy, whatever is closest.
  12. Yashica GSN should run under $100 and if you are lucky maybe around $50, about the price of a Leica strap.
  13. This might be the time to experiment with other camera styles or formats. My favorite camera is still the M4 bought new in 1970, but a Nikon F1 (or Nikkormat) is better for some subjects. Large format beats both for other uses. To avoid spending too much money, consider exploring pinhole photography.
  14. Sooner or later talk of cheap cameras will bring about the realization that a great subject and a great photographer can create a great photo from almost any kind of camera! we all know it! Get a Brownie anything. . .
  15. Definitely staying in the world of 35mm film cameras. Other formats are tempting, but not where I want to go just now.
    Ray, I like the aesthetics of the brick. It's a funky, cool looking box and you took some nice shots with it, Argus is on the short list.
    Ian, you sold six leicas for the love of the Olympus? Holy smokes, that's almost a dare to get one and see what was so special. Beautiful photos, very intrigued by this one.
    Does anyone know of good place around San Francisco for locating and playing with old film cameras? There's always ebay, but handling something before choosing would be better. Thanks for all the suggestions!
  16. Looking Glass Photo in Berkely and Camera West in Walnut Creek. Both places have on-line inventory also. Camera West might be fun for you as they carry an extensive Leica collection. I do not go into SF that much to know of any camera stores.
    Possibly a second Leica body would be good if it fits the budget ok. I think the Walnut Creek store usually has several M3's available and they always have M6's and M7's.
    Two of my girls Graduated from UC Berkeley so I headed out that way quite often. I even bought a Bicycle in Berkeley one time. I ride it to work every day now for the year. It's fun and I get the best parking spot at the Hospital I work at. However it's kind of hard in winter weather but I just tough it out.
  17. Three beautiful cameras to consider:
    Voigtlander Vitomatic IIa
    Yashica GS / GSN (overhauled only)
    Minolta AL-F
    All beautiful with Voigtlander being full Manual, Yashica having (probably) the best lens and light meter and Minolta being wonderful all-around camera.
  18. The Electro again. Funny, I was just researching this one and am now watching a few on ebay... This websight has me just about sold on it.
    My concern would be if they are poorly made, I am no good with repair. Any Electro users want to weigh in with experience?
  19. Olympus OM1-n is a real jewel, about the size of the M6, and a nice one can be had with a good Zuiko
    for not much more than $100.
  20. it's not a dare, but from the images in your favourites-portfolio, i think you would get on very well with the 40mm lens! more info./inspiration, here:
  21. Hi Lenore
    How about a used Zeiss Icon rangefinder? (uses the same M mount lenses as your Leica)
  22. Time to play with a Canonet III GL. It has a nice 40mm f1.7 lens, a meter and AE. They're reasonably
    priced but you have to be careful... as much as with any type of vintage camera. Also, the Konica S2
    brings back pleasant memories. It's about the same size as a Leica M, and has a nice 40mm lens (IIRC).
    Both cameras can be used without batteries, completely meterless, if you want to experiment without an
    on-board meter.
  23. Thank you to everyone who responded, lots of research and a trip to the camera shop for play had me settle on a mint Yashica Electro Rangefinder outfit with three clean lenses and a case for them, a finder, filters, an Argus meter, leather camera case and strap, caps for the lenses and body and a year-long waranty, all of this for a hundred bucks. Amazing! If it lives up to it's fanatical following the Leica will have some competition when it gets home:)
  24. Some nice fixed lens RFs include the Konica Auto S1.6. It has the faster lens and a hot shoe. The Olympus 35SP or 35SPN. These have nice fast lenses and the neat spot metering feature, The Olympus 35RD lacks the spot metering feature but still has a fast lens. The Minolta Hi-Matic 7SII does not have the most contrasty RF but it has a sharp and fast lens and full manual settings. It's also easier to get batteries for than the Hi-Matic E.
  25. I had a Yashica GSN which seemed to be an excellent camera except its size and wight did not fit my needs/wants so I sold it. Please give us a review in a few weks.
  26. i recently purchased Olympus Stylus Infinity 140. Really compact, was weather-proof when made in the '80's?Princely sum of $5.25 incl battery. Really sharp lens,flash fill great and auto-loading..Clam-shell body very compact.I really never looked at Olympus after 2 bad Pen-F's. Using Leica has taught me much about services and repairs..The results are all i could wish for.
    The Mamiya-C TLR suggestion is good. It's better if you do weights, work out often and regularly and are in prime condition. It is solid. Weighs like a movie star's trunk for ocean trip..A Rollei Automat would be a big change!They are light.
    The other way, get a SLR rather than a Ruskie/Ukranian box. Canon Ae-1p with a few lenses should keep below $100~200. This model way ahead of the earlier AE-1! The 50mmf1.8 superior to my Summicron. The camera feels like a "Leica" with all controls working same direction.
  27. For $20 or so a 1966 Minolta Hi-Matic 7s rangefinder can't be beat. Fast 45mm f/1.8 coated Rokkor lens. The Hi-Matic 9 is just as good but the GN system sometimes gives fault. Avoid the Hi-Matic 11. The electronic shutters on these were trouble from the start. The Seikosha shutters on the '60's Minolta RF's are a Syncro-Compur copy and much more reliable in old age than any Copal-equipped camera such as a Canonet. If the meter is dead just use Sunny-16 or a hand-held meter. Light seal replacement instructions are here:
    Apart from that you will probably need to remove to top cover and clean the RF optics. Easy job. If you feel up to it painting the interior of the top cover matt black increases RF patch contrast.
    A Vitomatic IIa is a nice camera with an incredible lens, but the Prontor shutter is almost certain to be sticky or seized up, as are it's Copal copies in the Konica Auto S2 or the Canonet. A Canonet can be really nice, but they usually need work:
    The Hi-Matic 7s is the best bargain in RF shooting IMHO.
  28. I wonder if that black paint trick works for all chrome/ black rangefinders? The patch on the Yashica is pretty small...
  29. Go with the Zeiss Ikon. I am in love with mine. Or, you know, a second M6 body might be a go investment.
  30. Lenore, I'm not sure about the Yashica Electro top lid, I've never had one. I've had a couple of Yashica Lynx 1000's and they have an enclosed RF system with a matt black painted pressed-metal top cover. The end towards the wind lever is open though. I painted mine black.
    The Minolta Hi-Matic is particularly bad in this respect as it's "moving-mirror" to transfer the focus position image is actually the entire front diopter of the viewfinder. The diopter of this front VF lens is quite large and it's prone to internal reflection. There is some minimal blacking in the Hi-Matic lid, but it works much better with the whole of the top lid is so treated.
    The early large-body Canonet's have a normal moving mirror above the lens which is surrounded by the dull chrome/brass interior of the lid. The improvement in VF clarity with blacking is dramatic as the images in my posting on the Canonet S shows. (2nd link down in my first post on this topic)
  31. Alex: you must know how tempting a second M body is! M4 I was thinking...
    Trying to connect with something cheap over here and the Zeiss isn't quite that. To my way of thinking if I was going to get an Ikon I may as well get an M4, in for a penny in for a pound and all that.
    Peter: Thank you for all the information, I really appreciate it. I'm going to give a peak inside with the help of a more technicaly inclined friend and see if your blacking trick could be useful, can't hurt to try and I am quite spoiled from the M6's viewfinder, well from everything about it actually:)

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