kenneth_hedden Posted April 27, 2001 Share Posted April 27, 2001 What is the purpose of using Sodium Sulfite in film developing? Can it be used in a Rotary processor? And how much should be added to a liter of developer before dilution? And does this affect the life of the developer?ThanksKen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken_burns1 Posted April 27, 2001 Share Posted April 27, 2001 Ken: <p> Most film developers already have the appropriate amount of SS in the formula making it unnecessary to add any at time of use. Developers such as Microdol X or D76 that already contain large amounts of SS have nothing to gain by adding more to the working solution. However, developers like FG7 that contain only small amounts of SS can have it added to the working solution to shorten dev times and increase the solvent action. Some photogs also add small amounts of SS to Rodinal to soften the graininess a bit. Usually though, there isn't much to be gained by adding SS to an already formulated film developer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twmeyer Posted April 28, 2001 Share Posted April 28, 2001 I have found Edwal FG7 to benefit greatly from the addition of SS, when processing 35mm films. A gain in film speed and increased edge definition is very noticeable with Kodak's HIE infrared, HP5+ and TXP. The highlights print much easier and with the infrared there is less of the halo effect where highlights are immediately adjacent to shadow or much darker areas (edge definition). I have never used SS with any other developer... t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xosni Posted April 29, 2001 Share Posted April 29, 2001 someone sent me this thru the usenet:Xosni wrote me that he is looking for improved sharpness. I amposting an answer here as well as to him via e-mail because I think itmay be of general interest. The effect of sulfite in a developer is subject to somemisundersanding. In fact, sulfite has a rather complex releationshipwith the developing agents and the development process, some of theconfusion comes from this complexity. Sulfite does two major things: one, it acts to protect thedeveloping agent from oxidation; two, it acts as a solvent for theundeveloped silver halide. The absorption of oxygen by the sulfite has two effects. One is thatit protects the developing agents from oxidation by the air.Developing agents are reducers, their purpose is to absorb oxygen fromthe exposed silver halide grains and convert them into metallicsilver. Oxygen from the air, and oxygen dissolved in the solutioncompetes with the oxygen in the developing silver grains for thereducer and will quickly ruin it if its not protected by sulfite orsome other oxygen absorber. Beside protecting the reducing agent from atmospheric oxygen thesulfite acts to regenerate the reaction products of development. It ishere that the amount of sulfite can affect the apparent sharpness ofthe image. When a develping agent (reducing agent) develops exposed silver itproduces both the silver and some other substances as a result of thechemical reaction. These substances can either retard or acceleratedevelopment, depending on the developing agent. Metol reactionproducts tend to restrain development, those from Hydroquinone tend toaccelerate it. This effect takes place in a very small area around the developingsilver halide crystals. The reaction products can move within theemulsion only by diffusion. Those which move toward the outside can beremoved by agitation but those which move sideways in the emulsionhave an effect on the development nearby. At the border of a highdensity and low density area the effect of these reaction products isto modify the rate of devlopment in a very narrow area near theborder. This results in a line on each side of the division indensities. The direction of the density of the line, and its degree,depend on the type of reducing agent or combination of agents, on theamount of emulsion swelling, and on the amount of sulfite. Sulfitetends to keep these effect from happening. It turns out that the human eye interprets high contrast at adeviding line between dark and bright as sharpness. In film this iscalled acutance. It is different from resolution. It has beendemonstrated that a high actance image looks sharper than one withlower actance (or edge contrast) but higher resolution. Its an opticalillusion. A tight, sharp grain pattern also gives the illusion ofsharpness. Low sulfite developers tend to produce stronger edge effects andthus, greater acutance. Since the effect is fixed in scale it is lessvisible as the silze of the format gets larger. Sulfite also acts in a couple of other ways. It is a salt and tends to prevent emulsion swelling. This can have aeffect on grain since the harder gelatin makes it more difficult fornearby grains of silver to migrate toward each other causing clumping.It is groups of grains which we see as film grain. The individualgrains are submicroscopic and are investigated using an electron orproton microscope. The solvent action of sulfite also has an effect on grain, but notby dissolving away a part of the developed grain (although very largeamounts of sulfite can do this a little). The sulfite etches thesurface of the halide grains. Moderate amounts of sulfite etch enoughhalide to expose sensitivity specks benieth the surface, making themdevelopable, and increasing effective film speed. Too much sulfite, orthe use of more powerful solvents, like thiocyanate, can etch rightpast some of these specks, destroying part of the latent image andlowering the speed. The sulfite also affects the morphology, or shape, of the developingsilver grains. Very low sulfite developers, or experimental oneswithout sulfite, develop rounded silver crystals, about the same shapeas the undeveloped crystals. This is also true of solution physicaldevelopment. Higher sulfite developers result in "filimentary" silver. Electronmicrographs of these grains look like tufts of steel wool. Thefilimentary silver tends to have greater covering power than the sharpcrystals so the effect is fewer holes for light to get through whenmany grains are in an area of the film, as in dense areas. The effectof the very small silver grains is somewhat statistical in nature,remember that _visible_ grain is the result of many submicroscopicgrains. The solvent effect of the sulfite has the effect of bluringout the effect of graininess. This has no effect on sharpness becauseit is on too small a scale. Sulfite also encourages physical devleopment. The halide dissolvedby the sulfite can be deposited on growing silver crystals by thedevloper, increasing their covering power. Filimentary crystals aretypical of chemical development, sharp edged crystals of physicaldevelopment. Nearly all practical developers result in a combinationof the two types. Excessive physical development can have the effect of bluring edgesand can reduce actual resolution. It takes a lot of physicaldevlopment to get this effect, even strongly solvent developers likeKodak Microdol-X full strength do not affect resolution when comparedto a lower sulfite deeveloper, like Rodinal. Because of the effect on the latent image high sulfite developerswhich are not very active will loose some film speed when used at fullstrength but gain it back when diluted. They will also get grainierbecause the anti-swelling effect of the sulfite is lost. Low sulfite developers may be the opposite, they will becomesomewhat less grainy and may loose some film speed as they arediluted. Rodinal is an example. Rodinal is very high pH since it usespotassium hydroxide as the accelerator. Hydroxide has little bufferingpower so the pH becomes lower as the dilution incrases reducingemulsion swelling and grain. Probably Rodinal with sulfite added actsmore like a high sulfite developer. In any case, it is not the solvent power of sulfite which results insome high sulfite developers making somewhat unsharp images but ratherthe reduction of edge effects. Since these are due to the antioxidantproperty of the sulfite any other anti-oxidant will have similareffects. Boy, this has turned out to be a long answer to a short question:-)"" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott walton Posted April 30, 2001 Share Posted April 30, 2001 Well put Xosni! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne__ Posted May 5, 2001 Share Posted May 5, 2001 I'm afraid that long message has Richard Knoppow's name all over it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_sage Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 I have to disagree with a couple of the assertions in Ahmad's intersting post above. First, Sodium Sulfite doesn't inhibit emulsion swelling, it promotes emulsion swelling. Sodium Sulfate inhibits swelling, which is why it an ingredient in tropical developers, but it's not the same chemical. Swelling has an effect on grain clumping, and sulfite inhibits edge effects in MQ developers because it facilitates the reactivation of metol by hydroquinone, but I don't think emulsion swelling and edge effects are significantly linked. If anything, I would expect emulsion swelling to somewhat favor edge effects, since development byproducts from areas of high development activity and unused developer from areas of low activity would migrate more easily within the emulsion layer. At any rate, the high pH of Rodinal promotes emulsion swelling regardless of its sulfite content. Also: "Probably Rodinal with sulfite added acts more like a high sulfite developer. In any case, it is not the solvent power of sulfite which results in some high sulfite developers making somewhat unsharp images but rather the reduction of edge effects. Since these are due to the antioxidant property of the sulfite any other anti-oxidant will have similar effects." This is incorrect; ascorbate is an antioxidant and ascorbate developers promote edge effects because the byproduct development is acidic and inhibits development in adjacent areas. The reputation of sulfite for reducing edge effects is specific to MQ developers like D76, as far as I know, and does have something to do with sulfite's antioxidant effect in that context. However, I believe that physical development does generally result in lower resolution on the film, particularly in highlights areas, so developers with enough sulfite to promote physical development aren't generally used when you want maximum definition. It is sulfite's solvent action which provides the silver in solution for physical development to occur, so in that sense I think it is the solvent power of sulfite which softens details in images. However, it's not like the detail is being dissolved by the sulfite, which is what many people seem to think. To address Ken's original question: There's generally no advantage to adding additional sulfite to a developer and if you do the effect can be hard to predict. Some developers will become more active, some less, some will produce finer grain, some coarser grain. As for shelf life, developers like straight D76 which are designed for reuse already contain tons of sulfite, whereas it's pointless to try to save a one-shot developer for reuse by adding sulfite. I wouldn't bother with it; it's not even worth thinking about unless you're interested in formulating your own developers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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