Discussion in 'Black and White' started by john_galloway|3, Feb 4, 2002.
B&H will not ship Rodinal. If shipping Rodinal is prohibited, how does it get to the photo store?
Shipping is not prohibited. B&H opted to go with FEDEX and their 3
days shipment does not allow hazardous materials to be shipped. Call
Adorama. They will ship it UPS ground. I switched to Adorama
completely because of that. Adorama's prices are either the same or
As implied above, there are only problems when shipping Rodinal via
air freight. Calumet (in the Chicago area) also ships Rodinal via UPS.
Rodinal is in fact shipped via airmail. Orders from Fotoimpex in
Berlin are always shipped airmail, even though they may contain
Rodinal or Calbe R09. The US postal service has to pass on parcels
that have been accepted by the German postal service as being in
accordance with mail regulations. In past emails I have stressed that
Calbe R09, which is the original Rodinal formula, has much better
working characterstics than AGFA Rodinal -- finer grain, better
tonality, better acutance. The plastic container for Calbe R09 is
certified for mail transportation in Europe and therefore can be
shipped airmail to the US. People having problems buying Rodinal
mailorder should consider purchasing Calbe R09 instead.
Is Calbe R09 available from a U.S. seller? I thought Rodinal was
Rodinal, unchanged over many years.
AGFA Rodinal obviously is very different to the classic AGFA formula.
Simply have a look at the ingredients listed on the bottle. AGFA
Rodinal now contains a restrainer, R09 does not and is very clear
working. Also R09 is more concentrated, which means that AGFA Rodinal
is more "watered down". The results differ a lot in a direct
comparison and everything speaks for R09. By the way: R is short for
Rodinal. 09 designates the receipe no 9 in the AGFA receipe book.
Calbe was formerly part of ORWO, the East German AGFA company. When
the two companies split up in the 1970s and East German AGFA gave up
its name and trademarks they started selling Rodinal under the new
name R09. Unfortunately it is not available through a US dealer, but
Fotoimpex is an excellent source. They are specializing in male order
to the US and have special shipping rates. Look for my other postings
concerning the differences between the two "Rodinals".
One of the benefits of Rodinal is that it is a very long lasting
concentrated developer. Most people purchase one bottle at a time.
When purchasing Rodinal via mail order in the US, most people order
other products at the same time to offset the shipping overhead.
Ordering a single bottle of R09 from Europe is probably not
The actual prices may have changed, but a 250mm bottle of
Calbe /Classic R09 was around only $4! The "standard" dilution is
1:40 instead of 1:25 of AGFA Rodinal thus makin R09 go further than
the AGFA product. I use it a 1:100, which give me 25 liters of
working solution. The flat fee shipping fee of Fotoimpex used to be
roughly equal to the hazardous material surcharge (that applies for
Rodinal in the US) plus the shipping and handling fee from the large
US mail order companies. I did not see much of a difference even for
one bottle shipped in from Europe and -- as you point out -- you can
order several at a time to make it more economical. Also it is not
only the price the makes me buy R09, it is the better quality.
After reading several posts about photoimpex in Berlin being a source
of Foma film and Calbe R09 film developer, I have tried contacting
them via e-mail several times with no response. Any suggestions from
those who have done business with them? I also learned of a new USA
source for Calbe R09 developer, Efke film, and 100 speed Foma film. I
bought a few rolls of 25 speed 120 film from them on ebay, and
inquired about other European products. They stock the films mentioned
and have the Calbe developer on order. They will contact me when it
arrives, and I will then be able to update this post regarding price.
Any suggestions that could be offered in regard to processing times
with the Calbe developer would be appreciated, I'm returning to
photography and darkroom work after a 25 year absence. I have found
this forum very
Oops, forgot to list the e-mail of the US source for Calbe R09. It's
I contacted photoimpex.de last week about Efke film. They replied to
my email the next day (though they were out of stock!). So they do
seem to answer email. Give them another try.
J & C Photo is the North American distributor for Photo Impex. The products, and especially the prices are great! (And that's from a Canadian dealing with the U.S./CDN exchange rate!!!) For example: The Classic Polywarmtone fibre paper (Triple Weight) is actually Forte paper, and even with the poor exchange rate, on an order for 50 sheets of 16x20, I'm able to save close to $100.00 over what it would cost me to buy it here in Vancouver, B.C. That's a very significant savings.
I may try R09, but in the meantime there's no shortage of Rodinal here in town. But I'm definitely going to be purchasing the Classic 200(Forte) sheet film, again for the great cost savings on a decent product.
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