dave_diggin Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 So I was on a roll last week and then it stopped briefly for a dozen or so shots. The carpet was red and mostly tungsten lighting and for this one series of shots its pretty much a red out. I am trying to figure out how to post an image to show you all. I am pretty screwed if I cant fix these. My speedlight fired so I am not sure why the dim light. If i bring the tones down on the photo the subject looks blue. Any ideas?<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_diggin Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 Also, yes i realize in this one that their eyes are closed and such, I just picked one by random. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis_vener_photography Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Did you shoot "raw" or JPEG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_diggin Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 jpeg, i know, i know. I learned a huge lesson over this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis_vener_photography Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 While it looks as though you flash did not fire, according to the EXIF data it did. Since your D200 was in manual mode what shutter speed did you use? possibly it was above the sync speed of the camera. Also what flash did you use?<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald_moravec1 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 The strobe was out of sync with the shutter, ie too high a speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_diggin Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 used a sb600 so i had the strobe too high? Is there a way to fix this photo or am i out of luck here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis_vener_photography Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I downloaded the JPEG you posted and opened it up in Adobe Photoshop Lightroom and adjusted the Red Hue slider by +58. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis_vener_photography Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 You didn't have the strobe "too high" or too bright -- it just didn't put out very much light or the connection was bad. But you may have had the camera's shutter speed set above 1/250th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrison_k. Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 "i had the strobe too high?" the shutter speed was too high. max of 1/250th on the D200 unless you go to a different setting on the flash but i don't think you had that set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_diggin Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 it was shot at 1/100 sec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald_moravec1 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Use raw+JPEG and throw away the raw if they are not needed. I would also chimp all the really important shots, overall and then a histogram. My correction with curves, levels and then an 80A photofilter.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrison_k. Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Are you using LR or CS3, Dave? If so, and you feel this is a decent "save" to your problems, i can email you the jpg i adjusted in ACR and you can then copy my settings and apply to your other shots in the series. At 1600iso and under exposure in 8bit, you don't stand much of a chance of a decent recovery and large prints of these wont look to wonderful. "Use raw+JPEG and throw away the raw if they are not needed." I've never understood this mentality.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rnt Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Metadata in Adobe Bridge indicates 1/100 shutter speed, flash firing (return light detected). It also indicates (if I'm reading it right) a +1 exposure compensation. I can see some reflections in various pieces of jewelry that indicate a flash. I can't explain why the flash has such a minimal impact- perhaps it was set for a very low level of fill, or perhaps it was gelled to match the tungsten to make white balance easier? At any rate, the original has already had some work done (Noise Ninja?) but here's my try...<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_diggin Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 I actually hadnt touched the photo yet, i am still trying to figure out what happened, maybe the flash wasnt snapped on perfectly or go loose someway, its really unfortunate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_diggin Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 Garrison thanks so much , I use Lightroom. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candice Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 SHOOT IN RAW it is your WB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jo_dinning Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I think there is a WB issue here - I'm wondering if the in situ lighting actually overpowered your flash - the image also has quite a lot of contrasty lighting - there's a very strong light source coming from somewhere and it doesn't look like it's your flash. Anyway, I tried to get a better balance in levels, and reduced the saturation as well as a slight shift for the hue.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_diggin Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 Jo can you email this photo back to me? . I will try using these settings in lr. thanks [Moderator note: email address removed... Please have a valid email address in your community page. People know they can click on your name to get to your contact information] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald_moravec1 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 The reason is JPEGS if done correctly are sufficient. If you make a WB error or need to recover highlights, for fix the exposure, the raw file is there to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooke_moore Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Why did you use 1600? With flash this image could have been done at ISO400 and looked awsome. This is a great example of poor decison making on the part of the photographer not the equipment. IF your flash was not mounted properly you would have had more exposure not less as it seems. BUT the basic problem was not matching the ISO to the specifics of the situation. Trying to get something dececent in a full light with flash situation with such a high ISO is nearly impossible. Yes you can try to fix this but learn from it and set your camera properly at the capture moment and pay attention not only to speed but to WB. The settings on the camera and flash are there for a reason. IF you don't understand how to make them work manually go for P nikon is way smatter than an inexperienced photog on any day. Brooke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregory_c Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Do you shoot the camera on auto ? I am old school & shoot my digital camera on manual. (Canon 20D, 580ex flash, increased by 1/2) Lots of times when using auto settings the surrounding lights will make camera underexpose shots. *** Hey OK to shoot JPEG ***** I know someone who shoots 50 + schools, seniors, studio, outdoor, team, band, groups all JPEG ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdj Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I'm a strict raw shooter. I have a colleague that shoots weddings/portraits/sports 100% jpeg. He nails his WB and exposure,so it's not a problem. Hence, for some photographers, it's ok to shoot jpeg. In this situation, is would have been a lifesaver to shoot raw. It may not have been a 'perfect' image, but a salvageable one, nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdj Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I can't believe nobody has mentioned the chopped off feet yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p_b_ Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I see absolutely no evidence of a flash in any eyes, not even the slightest pinpoint of white. This is what I have to deal with when I shoot film in incandescent lighting without a flash. I am able to get usable prints, however, but not great prints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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