Red Skin , Red everyhting actually.

Discussion in 'Wedding and Event' started by dave_diggin, Jun 13, 2008.

  1. So I was on a roll last week and then it stopped briefly for a dozen or so shots. The carpet was red and mostly tungsten lighting and for this one series of shots its pretty much a red out. I am trying to figure out how to post an image to show you all. I am pretty screwed if I cant fix these. My speedlight fired so I am not sure why the dim light. If i bring the tones down on the photo the subject looks blue. Any ideas?
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  2. Also, yes i realize in this one that their eyes are closed and such, I just picked one by random.
     
  3. Did you shoot "raw" or JPEG?
     
  4. jpeg, i know, i know. I learned a huge lesson over this
     
  5. While it looks as though you flash did not fire, according to the EXIF data it did. Since your D200 was in manual mode what shutter speed did you use? possibly it was above the sync speed of the camera. Also what flash did you use?
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  6. The strobe was out of sync with the shutter, ie too high a speed.
     
  7. used a sb600 so i had the strobe too high? Is there a way to fix this photo or am i out of luck here?
     
  8. I downloaded the JPEG you posted and opened it up in Adobe Photoshop Lightroom
    and adjusted the Red Hue slider by +58.
     
  9. You didn't have the strobe "too high" or too bright -- it just didn't put out very much light or the connection was bad. But you may have had the camera's shutter speed set above 1/250th.
     
  10. "i had the strobe too high?"

    the shutter speed was too high. max of 1/250th on the D200 unless you go to a different setting on the flash but i don't think you had that set.
     
  11. it was shot at 1/100 sec
     
  12. Use raw+JPEG and throw away the raw if they are not needed. I would also chimp all the really important shots, overall and then a histogram. My correction with curves, levels and then an 80A photofilter.
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  13. Are you using LR or CS3, Dave? If so, and you feel this is a decent "save" to your problems, i can email you the jpg i adjusted in ACR and you can then copy my settings and apply to your other shots in the series. At 1600iso and under exposure in 8bit, you don't stand much of a chance of a decent recovery and large prints of these wont look to wonderful. "Use raw+JPEG and throw away the raw if they are not needed." I've never understood this mentality.
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  14. rnt

    rnt

    Metadata in Adobe Bridge indicates 1/100 shutter speed, flash firing (return light detected). It also indicates (if I'm reading it right) a +1 exposure compensation. I can see some reflections in various pieces of jewelry that indicate a flash. I can't explain why the flash has such a minimal impact- perhaps it was set for a very low level of fill, or perhaps it was gelled to match the tungsten to make white balance easier? At any rate, the original has already had some work done (Noise Ninja?) but here's my try...
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  15. I actually hadnt touched the photo yet, i am still trying to figure out what happened, maybe the flash wasnt snapped on perfectly or go loose someway, its really unfortunate.
     
  16. Garrison thanks so much , I use Lightroom. thanks

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  17. SHOOT IN RAW it is your WB
     
  18. I think there is a WB issue here - I'm wondering if the in situ lighting actually overpowered your flash - the image also has quite a lot of contrasty lighting - there's a very strong light source coming from somewhere and it doesn't look like it's your flash. Anyway, I tried to get a better balance in levels, and reduced the saturation as well as a slight shift for the hue.
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  19. Jo

    can you email this photo back to me? . I will try using these
    settings in lr.

    thanks

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  20. The reason is JPEGS if done correctly are sufficient. If you make a WB error or need to recover highlights, for fix the exposure, the raw file is there to help.
     
  21. Why did you use 1600? With flash this image could have been done at ISO400
    and looked awsome.

    This is a great example of poor decison making on the part of the photographer
    not the equipment.

    IF your flash was not mounted properly you would have had more exposure not
    less as it seems. BUT the basic problem was not matching the ISO to the
    specifics of the situation.

    Trying to get something dececent in a full light with flash situation with such a
    high ISO is nearly impossible.

    Yes you can try to fix this but learn from it and set your camera properly at the
    capture moment and pay attention not only to speed but to WB.

    The settings on the camera and flash are there for a reason.
    IF you don't understand how to make them work manually go for P nikon is way
    smatter than an inexperienced photog on any day.

    Brooke
     
  22. Do you shoot the camera on auto ? I am old school & shoot my digital camera on manual. (Canon 20D, 580ex flash, increased by 1/2) Lots of times when using auto settings the surrounding lights will make camera underexpose shots. *** Hey OK to shoot JPEG ***** I know someone who shoots 50 + schools, seniors, studio, outdoor, team, band, groups all JPEG !
     
  23. tdj

    tdj

    I'm a strict raw shooter. I have a colleague that shoots weddings/portraits/sports 100% jpeg. He nails his WB and exposure,so it's not a problem. Hence, for some photographers, it's ok to shoot jpeg. In this situation, is would have been a lifesaver to shoot raw. It may not have been a 'perfect' image, but a salvageable one, nonetheless.
     
  24. tdj

    tdj

    I can't believe nobody has mentioned the chopped off feet yet!
     
  25. I see absolutely no evidence of a flash in any eyes, not even the slightest pinpoint
    of white. This is what I have to deal with when I shoot film in incandescent lighting
    without a flash. I am able to get usable prints, however, but not great prints.
     
  26. D.J.,

    My contribution.

    This is ACR, with mostly color temperature and saturation adjustments, some minor other tweaks, then saturation and levels in Photoshop.

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  27. Dave, I also made a run at the correction, doing it with a color profile. I think this would actually print fairly nice, however, I did leave some dirty faces and I'm sure I botched up a few people's hair. It's a side effect of trying to lift up the really dark shadowed parts of the faces, including the raccoon eyes. But hey, you're the photographer, you might as well be the one to do the final editing. If you want a copy of the profile, email me and I'll send it to you on Mon or Tues.
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  28. Jo's and Bill's are way better than my attempt.

    "I can't believe nobody has mentioned the chopped off feet yet!"

    Because this isn't a critique session?
     
  29. The color problem is because the flash was set to what Nikon calls Balanced i-TTL. Flash is automatically compensated to be even with the ambient. (If you looked at the back of the flash, you would have seen TTL-BL)

    The +1.0 EV exposure compensation has no effect on exposure since you manually set exposure to 1/100, f/3.5.

    The flash exposure was set to +0.7 EV which I'd expect to bring the flash up, but maybe a high ceiling was also exceeding the reach of the flash.
     
  30. Need a strobe and don't use auto white balance. Set the camera white balance to flash.

    Also lower your exposure. To my eye after shooting 50 to 100 weddings a year for 20 plus years, this church looks darn dark; looks like your exposure should have been set around 30th of a second at f4 ISO around 800. This is the reason for RED!
     
  31. Everyone missed the worst part of the shot.

    The woman 3rd from the left has her eyes closed! ;)
     
  32. no she doesn't
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  33. Moderator note:

    Dave - Thankfully people posted the image when doing corrections so we can see them in the thread rather than in another window.

    Please take a careful note of the instructions when starting a thread for how to upload images.

    1) 700 pixels or less in width
    2) You must type in a caption in the caption box

    We need the images IN the thread and by following the directions it will not show up as a link Thanks.
     

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