Discussion in 'Street and Documentary' started by Allen Herbert, Nov 15, 2019.
Did that photo of Obama change the world or did his election change it?
Actually the photo is of the two women who believe the 'election' represented a change in the world (it was the second four year term). You have to admit though, that there has never, in the history that anyone can say is recorded, have we had the world, especially this country, like it was at some point in times past... so yes the photo of President Obama in the position that he managed for eight years, changed the world. Some might argue for the better, others for the worse... it's an opinion, which everyone is entitled to. When I saw the forum title, this photo, and another that I captured from the 50th Anniversary of the Martin Luther King, Jr. March on Washington, came to mind. This image was a culmination of the MLK, Jr movement all those years ago because, who woulda thunk? (Although some had the faith to believe). And so, this image is my opine to the forum title.
I'm a big fan of Obama and wish he, or someone at least sane, were still president. Nevertheless, I can't agree with you. Obama's election and Obama himself may have changed the world, but neither the newspaper photo of him nor your photo of the two women holding the paper changed the world.
Even though I'm skeptical of its power to have changed the course of the Vietnam War at the time, I think a much better argument has been made for Ut's photo of the "napalm girl" having changed the world. Because that single picture did affect many people into being horrified by that war. No single picture of Obama helped him win an election or in any way gave the world info about him that was pivotal. A picture of two unknown women holding a newspaper may have great meaning for you, but did not change the world. The photos of Obama are simply a record of a great President.
The picture of Democratic presidential nominee Michael Dukakis riding a tank, certainly did effect that election. That's why they call it "poly-optics".
A single photo might move the world, but only in the sense of giving it a push in a certain direction. The dead body of a immigrant child, on a beach, certainly had a impact in Europe and at the time eased immigration.
For me, among so many powerful photos depicted ,was the small child, dying of malnutrition holding the hand of a well fed.....
In a sense the above photo was a world changer, among others. The photo emphasises the joy, of black folk, that one of their own....
The President of The USA.
Outside the USA, few folks would have believed, a black man, could ever become the President of the USA.
Not wishing to talk politics, I think, it is a truism to say, he gave the USA a benign face to the world. Rightly, or wrongly, depending on what side of the political divide you belong.
Also the recent video of George Floyd and other acts though not still pictures, certainly have had far reaching consequences.
We got out of Vietnam as a result of military defeat. Ut's famous photo had nothing to do with that.
As I already said, I'm skeptical of the claim that Ut's photo changed the course of the Vietnam War. I wouldn't go so far as to say it had nothing to do with it. As I also said, I think a better case could be made for the power of Ut's photo to have changed the world than any single photo of Obama.
Maybe a good example would be the photos from Abu Ghraib, which did have profound effects. They, more than pictures of Obama, changed things. Obama, more than those pictures from Abu Ghraib, changed things. But pictures of Obama not so much.
What did Abu Ghraib photos change?
Do a little research.
Here's one paragraph on the subject. There is much written about the repercussions of the discovery of the photos and the torture they showed.
"In response to the events at Abu Ghraib, the United States Department of Defense removed 17 soldiers and officers from duty. Eleven soldiers were charged with dereliction of duty, maltreatment, aggravated assault and battery. Between May 2004 and April 2006, these soldiers were court-martialed, convicted, sentenced to military prison, and dishonorably discharged from service. Two soldiers, Specialist Charles Graner and PFC Lynndie England, were sentenced to ten and three years in prison, respectively. Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, the commanding officer of all detention facilities in Iraq, was reprimanded and demoted to the rank of colonel."
By the way, below I've reproduced my first post in this thread, where I stated that I don't think most photos that are considered to have change the world actually changed the world. The comment you picked up on above was my using an example of a photo that could be seen to have changed more than the photo of Obama did. It was a narrow response to a specific example but my using either Ut or Abu Ghraib is only by way of response to their potential compared to the photo of Obama. It shouldn't be taken as anything more than that. And I'm not going to continue to argue with you about minutiae when we obviously agree to begin with.
Actually that is not backed by the facts of History.
We got out same as we got in, as a result of politics.
Defenders of our adventure in Vietnam fantasized "stopping China" with cannon fodder. Didn't work for the French either.
Interesting discussion, just for a perspective on how, why, what analyzed by the Army War College by I believe Major Harold Sumnner "On Strategy, A Critical Analysis of the Vietnam War. Discussed the what it described as flaws in strategic thinking when analyzed through the military political lens of German political theorist Von Clauswitz. I thought it was interesting, including analyzing how we came to be involved as we were. Maybe you've seen it?
Given the threat China now presents to democracy maybe they weren’t fantasists after all.
Exit stage right... (snagglepuss quote!) Huffington Post article; photo credit to Evan Vucci (I hope I would have tried to compose the very same shot)
It’s a great AP photo. Perfectly captures the situation. The photo reflects the world. The majority of voters and the majority of voters in the right states in the U.S. have changed the world.
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