Nikkor 80mm El mounted on D800 UV

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by enmerkar_zedek, Jun 22, 2016.

  1. Hi,
    I would like to mount a Nikkor El lens on my D800 for UV photography. I know these lenses get mounted in reverse on bellows for macro photography. However, I can't imagine walking about with a bellow for UV photography.
    In any case, I'm unfamiliar with these kinds of lenses. I have one coming in the mail (El Nikkor 80mm) and I'm not sure what to get for it.
    I'd much appreciate it if someone with experience would point me to the things I need to buy to make this work.
    Thanks
    E. Zedek
     
  2. MM If you have the adapter to mount the El on bellows (revers) already, then you couls also possibly replace the bellowas by a set of extension rings ( cheap solution) or you cpould investigate the "Zörk"" mini macro equipment at their website ( http://www.zoerk.com/ ) (http://www.zoerk.com/pages/p_mima.htm) and related .(more expensive solution, but a pioneer company in this field..) .
     
  3. I don't quite understand what you want to do. Can't you do UV photography with a regular lens? Without the bellow there is no focusing possible. With the bellow you can't focus to infinity. I use Nikkor EL lenses for my marco with the bellow often but don't understand what you're trying to do.
     
  4. The El-Nikkors are enlarging lenses with a 39mm Leica thread and won't mount directly to a Nikon DSLR without an adapter. In fact I'm not sure that the 80mm El-Nikkor has a sufficiently long back-focus to focus at infinity on your D800, especially with the extra space taken up by a bayonet-to-screw adapter. I'm also unsure that it'll pass any more UV than something like the 4-element 45mm Nikon "pancake" lens. AFAIK the 6 element design of the El-Nikkor uses fairly standard optical glasses, and may show no more UV transmission than a 6 element 50mm f/1.8 Ai-S Nikkor that'll fit directly to the D800. The wider aperture of the 50mm f/1.8 may well transmit more UV than the f/5.6 aperture of the 80mm El-Nikkor and thus allow shorter exposure times.
    In addition, there will be no aperture coupling to the D800 and you'll have to count click-stops to close the lens to working aperture before taking the picture.
    Read this pratical test of the 63mm El-Nikkor against a variety of other (cheaper) lenses: http://www.savazzi.net/photography/35mmuv.html
    Personally I'd take web lens mythology as pure hearsay unless someone can show proper UV transmission spectra for El-Nikkors against a variety of other lenses. So I hope you didn't pay a lot for the El-Nikkor!
     
  5. Frankly, I'm looking for UV between the 300-350 nm rage. My understanding only the most expensive lenses do that. I got the Nikkor EL as last resort and no not very expensive.
    You're right as there is no sufficient online info on which lenses does what and that include the cheapo lenses from back when.
    I just don't know what lens would work best for my desire to shoot 300-350nm without spending 5k on a lens.
     
  6. But I don't know how you would solve the focusing problem with the EL lense.
     
  7. "Frankly, I'm looking for UV between the 300-350 nm rage."​
    In that case, without using an expensive lens containing exotic glass elements, I'd say you have next to no chance of success. Sorry!
    Best start saving and then look for a UV-Nikkor lens.
     
  8. You will need a filter to put in front of the lens as well as the adapter to go from M42 to F. You focus by moving the camera. I am not sure that you will get anything out of the D800 because of the filter pack built into the camera. I used a D40 to do digital UV photography because of the weak UV filtration. I also used Tungsten balanced film for UV photography and that worked very well.
    D-40 with 75mm El Nikkor 13 seconds at f/16
    https://flic.kr/p/qj3rYr
    800 ISO Tungsten balanced film
    https://flic.kr/p/qUzdMe
    Unless you modify your camera this is not going to be hand help photography. Some of my exposure times got into the several minute range.
    This is probabaly the least expensive filter that will let you see if you really want to do this.
    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/8212-REG/B_W_65040725_58mm_UV_Black.html
    If you really want to go that far into UV you will need a
    Baader Planetarium U-Filter 2" (Venus, Ultraviolet, ZWL 350nm)

    The run in the $300 range
     
  9. In that case, without using an expensive lens containing exotic glass elements, I'd say you have next to no chance of success. Sorry!​
    MMM Maybe have a look here,:
    http://www.davidkennardphotography.com/blog/811-ultraviolet-and-multispectral-photography.xhtml
    and here
    http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.nl/2011/02/uv-el-nikkor-85mm-for-uv-old-vs-new.html

    looks like both old nand new versions of the EL Nikkor 80mm are not that bad at all..
    I am not sure that you will get anything out of the D800 because of the filter pack built into the camera.​
    MM When reading the title of the tread, I assumed already that the question is for a UV converted D800 ..
     
  10. This is also a very helpful link
    http://www.holovachov.com/fluorescence
     
  11. I too am wondering why you would want to use an EL Nikkor on a DSLR when you have so many other much better choices available to you. As an aside, I have seen an EL Nikkor used on a bellows only very infrequently as they are not really very practical bellows lenses. For one thing, there is no auto diaphragm so can not use the BR-6 which I personally find indispensable for macro work when the lens is reversed. You will also need an adapter to go from Nikon F mount to 39mm screw thread. Nikon DID make a dedicated 105mm f/4 Nikkor P bellows lens but it was a long time ago and I am sure it lags behind more modern lenses resolving power wise. It too had no focusing ring or automatic diaphragm. A very specialized lens that is a rare find nowadays and therefore very expensive for what they are.
    I use my 55mm f/2.8 AIS Micro or 50mm f/1.8 AIS either reversed or forward and the both produce brilliant results. The Micro lens of course has flatter field than the regular AIS but for 3 dimensional subjects that is usually not much of an issue.
     
  12. EL Nikkors are suitable for UV photography:
    http://www.savazzi.net/photography/el-nikkor_uv.htm
    dunk
     

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